What did Jesus mean when He said touch me not

You are wrong Marcia;
John saw in Heaven and there was a number before God's throne and they had their hands raised and were singing "Holy Holy art thou oh Lord for thou hast redeemed us with thy blood.:"

Those saints are in Heaven today both soul and bodies and they along with Jesus are the First resurrection with Jesus being the first fruit of those that arose.


1 Corinthians, chapter 15
"20": But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

It says firstfruits in the plural. Their souls had to come back from Heaven and reunite with their bodies. Jesus conquered over death hell and the grave so those bodies could be resurrected.
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What purpose would there be for saints to come out of the graves to live here on earth and don't you know if a bunch of saints had of arose and lived here on earth it would of been a great sign yet nothing is mentioned about it.

 

Let us consentrate on what we do agree on that Jesus is the first resurrection and the firstfruits of them that slept.

If indeed Jesus is the first resurrection and we have a part with Jesus and if you have been born again we certainly have a part with Jesus then we do have a part in the first resurrection. All this is according to what we have agreed on.

Now the rest depend on your perspective on the thousand year reign which I have heard many different versions since being on here about the thousand year reign. It says "I saw the souls (of them) which were beheaded for the word of God and they (souls) lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years and the rest (bodies) of the dead lived not again until the thousand years was finished. Jesus never once spoke of a thousand years yet to come and I find it hard to believe that if it was to come He would of spoken of it. Satan was loosed for a little season and if satan is not loosed today then we are in for trouble when he is loosed. I am relunctant to get into the thousand year reign because of the many different beliefs on here but I don't believe as they do. Remember that John saws souls under the altar of God for the testimony of which they held and they were given white robes and I think I can prove where the white robes come from (the blood of Christ). This is very deep stuff but as I said, it is for sure whether it is to come or has been it makes no difference whatsoever in our Salvation so I try to stick with that.

 

His throne is in Heaven, the twelve gates of that city were the twelve tribes of Israel.

Revelation, chapter
"21": To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

The Father is in Heaven and if Jesus sat down with Him seems to me it would be in Heaven.

You do agree though that Jesus is the First Resurrection.

 

Well as long as you agree that Jesus is the First Resurrection then that is the point we started with that to have a part in Him is to have a part in the First Resurrection.

I know there are many different minds on the thousand years and I for one believe that a thousand years is as one day and one day as a thousand years which speaks volumes to what I believe about the thousand years. I also stick with the part where it says the souls lived and reign, if you will notice the language it says "souls (of them)". Now if it were talking both soul and body it might of said "I saw the souls that were beheaded but it don't it says I saw the souls of them and they lived and reigned both in past tense.

 

Revelation, chapter 10



"1": And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

"2": And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,

"3": And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.

"4": And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

"5": And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

"6": And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

Was this before we find the Scripture about the thousand year reign and if so how could there be a thousand years when there was no time? How could there even be one day?

 

I agree the thousand years a one day probably needs to be discussed on another thread. I guess you could call me a amilliennialist but I believe in the thousand years but believe it is fulfilled and finished at the cross.

No, I believe we have a glorified inward man now but the outward man or body must wait until the resurrection of all the dead. "if the same Spirit be in you that raised Christ from the deed it shall also quicken your mortal body.

Lazarus, the Bible is silent on that for there were others where the soul returned to the body. I know for sure there were certain things that were done for the Glory of God and to assist Jesus setting up the "new and living way" and I think Lazarus was one of them. I have thought on it a lot and discussed it with others but never really come to a precise decision. I like to be able to support things by Scripture and that is one that I would be speculating for sure.

I believe it will be a quick work that Jesus is going to do when He come back and the trump will sound and all that are in the graves will get up and unto them that have done good the resurrection of life and unto them that have done evil the resurrection of damnation. I can't find a thousand years in there.

What do you think about the thousand years and the angel had already set his foot on the sea and the left one on the sand and declared that time shall be no more?

Marcia;
May I ask you a question what kind of background do you have in serving the Lord? If you don't want to answer on here you can pm me. I am impressed by your knowledge and how you will not give in too quick until you study something. I have noticed it all along.

 

Yes, I am saying the souls lived and reigned with Christ and the rest of the dead (their bodies) lived not again until the thousand years was finished.

It says, I saw the souls of them
He saw a part of a whole if I understand it as written.
If he had of meant both soul and body he would of said:
I saw the souls that were beheaded. Or
I saw those that were beheaded. but
He said I saw the souls (of them)

I think you have to read every word of a Scripture to get the true meaning.

 

There is a conflict if he lived and died again on earth to which I really don't know. There are times we just do not know and this is one of them.
I don't see a conflict if it was one of those things that was done for the Glory of God like Elias being caught up in to Heaven.

 

What you going to do with this Scripture Mel?
I see know problem with making firstfruit into a plural making it more than one unless the orginal text was singular and not the Greek word.

KJMatt.27

50": Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

"51": And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

"52": And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

"53": And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


What about Jesus, was He the First Resurrection, or don't you believe that either?

As far as the 1000 years I do not believe it is yet to come. I think satan is loosed now.

If this is true then it means plural even though it is singular for 144,000 are certainly more than singular.

You call it a false concept but I call it truth.

 

Mel;
It says "souls of them". Please tell me why the writer had to go past souls to "of them"?

Also, John saw them as Souls that were under the altar of God which were just the souls and not the bodies. Also the same is true when he saw them live and reign with Christ for a thousand years.