What do Baptists and Catholics have in common?

[lori4dogs]

I see your point.

However, I don't agree that Anglicanism is becoming dead in Nigeria but I do agree it is in its home country. The Anglican Church of Nigeria is growing and growing fast. Growth is growth. You are right, 50% of the country is Muslim. In northern Nigeria it is closer to 90% or more. But the Christians are not dying out by any means. The Church of Nigeria continues to evangelize and bring the lost to a saving knowledge of Jesus. Here is just a little off their websites FAQ's:

Q1.Who is a CHRISTIAN?

A Christian is one who is Christ-like, one who has the mind of Christ. One who having realised the fallen nature of humanity has repented of sins and accepted Jesus the Christ as his or her personal lord and saviour.

Q2. Who is an ANGLICAN?

An Anglican is one who has been baptised within the confines of the Anglican Communion.

Q3. What is the Vision of the Church of Nigeria Anglican Communion?

The Vision of the Church of Nigeria Anglican Communion states that "The Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion) shall be bible based, spiritually dynamic,United,disciplined, self-supporting,committed to pragmatic evangelism,social welfare and a Church that epitomizes the genuine love of christ ".

I'll bet if you were to talk to some Baptist missionaries to Nigeria you would get a different view point of The Church of Nigeria than the one you have. I think you would have a different viewpoint on Christianity in Nigeria as well.

I think you should re-read my post where I referenced The Church of Nigeria. I mentioned them because unlike the Anglican Provinces such as: The Anglican Church of Canada, The Episcopal Church, and The Church of England that have become theologically liberal and are closing more churches all the time, The Churches of Nigeria, Uganda, etc. continue to grow and bring people to know Jesus as Savior. Both Nigeria and Uganda have been sending missionaries here! I mentioned provinces like this because you were saying that 'Anglicanism' is primarily The Church of England. Not anymore, hasn't been for a long time.

 

[DHK]

I see your point.

However, I don't agree that Anglicanism is becoming dead in Nigeria but I do agree it is in its home country. The Anglican Church of Nigeria is growing and growing fast. Growth is growth. You are right, 50% of the country is Muslim. In northern Nigeria it is closer to 90% or more. But the Christians are not dying out by any means. The Church of Nigeria continues to evangelize and bring the lost to a saving knowledge of Jesus. Here is just a little off their websites FAQ's:

Your logic is way off. Perhaps I will deal with some of your other points at a later date. So what if there are 25 million Anglicans in Nigeria. The point is moot. That doesn't make it the home of Anglicism.

Go back to Islam for an example.
Indonesian is considered the largest Islamic nation in the world with a population of 200 million Muslims (80% of the entire population).
Pakistan is the considered the second largest Islamic nation in the world with a total population of 165 million, 97% of whom are Muslims.

But neither one of those nations are the home of Islam. Islam has 1 billion adherents. And even the largest two Islamic nations in the world are not considered the home of Islam. The numbers don't matter. The home of Islam is in Saudi Arabia. That is where the Arabs are. That is where Mecca is. That is where all Muslims must make a pilgrimage to at least once in their lifetime. That is the home of Islam.

The home of the Anglican Church (Episcopal, Church of England, etc.) is England. It is not Nigeria no matter how many adherents live in Nigeria. Your argument doesn't even make sense.

 

[lori4dogs]

Your logic is way off. Perhaps I will deal with some of your other points at a later date. So what if there are 25 million Anglicans in Nigeria. The point is moot. That doesn't make it the home of Anglicism.

Go back to Islam for an example.
Indonesian is considered the largest Islamic nation in the world with a population of 200 million Muslims (80% of the entire population).
Pakistan is the considered the second largest Islamic nation in the world with a total population of 165 million, 97% of whom are Muslims.

But neither one of those nations are the home of Islam. Islam has 1 billion adherents. And even the largest two Islamic nations in the world are not considered the home of Islam. The numbers don't matter. The home of Islam is in Saudi Arabia. That is where the Arabs are. That is where Mecca is. That is where all Muslims must make a pilgrimage to at least once in their lifetime. That is the home of Islam.

The home of the Anglican Church (Episcopal, Church of England, etc.) is England. It is not Nigeria no matter how many adherents live in Nigeria. Your argument doesn't even make sense.

I went back over my posts to find where I said that 'Nigeria is the home of Anglicanism', because if I had said that it would I didn't mean to say it. Couldn't find it. However, I believe what I said is 'where you would find a typical Anglican these days would be in a country like Nigeria'. A typical Anglican these days would be found in Africa or somewhere in the Global South. That is where most Anglican's live today. Not England.

I think you need to read my posts again. Also, you had accused me of making false statements about the Eastern Rite Churches under the authority of Rome and their priests being able to marry. Did you check your facts on this?

 

[lori4dogs]

DHK said: "You know full well that Anglicism is primarily "the Church of England."

It may be the 'home of Anglicanism' but Anglicanism certainly isn't primarily 'The Church of England'. Check your facts. If Anglicanism is primarily 'The Church of England' it is in big trouble.

 

[DHK]

I went back over my posts to find where I said that 'Nigeria is the home of Anglicanism', because if I had said that it would I didn't mean to say it. Couldn't find it. However, I believe what I said is 'where you would find a typical Anglican these days would be in a country like Nigeria'. A typical Anglican these days would be found in Africa or somewhere in the Global South. That is where most Anglican's live today. Not England.

Typical Anglicans are found in England and Canada, not in third world Muslim nations. That is not true. I have been to nations like Nigeria. The difference is the culture. They are not like our "western, secular, humanistic, pluralistic, so-called civilized societies." They are religious nations. Just as the Muslims are religious so are the other minorities in the nation religious. Everyone is. And they are not ashamed of it as many here are. It is "proper" (for lack of a better word) to be religious. Thus your typical "Anglican" is not found in Nigeria, just religious ones. And you can find those in other "religious" third world nations as well. You will find them in India and Pakistan--a Hindu nation and an Islamic nation--both very religious.

In Canada the "typical" Anglican is somewhat like the "typical" Catholic. They crave the pomp and ceremony, the large Cathedrals, the ornate decorations, etc. That is your typical Anglican. They typical Anglican uses a "Prayer Book" just as a typical Catholic uses a "Missal." Both have very liturgical services. You might find the gospel in an Anglican Church (one in an hundred or less), but it is doubtful.
Like the RCC, the "typical" Anglican Church does not preach the gospel.
They are more interested in liturgy, atmosphere, environment, social work, good works, and just like the Catholics--BINGO!

Also, you had accused me of making false statements about the Eastern Rite Churches under the authority of Rome and their priests being able to marry. Did you check your facts on this?

It wasn't necessarily that the statements themselves were false. They were moot; out of context. If I make the statement concerning the celibacy of the priesthood (speaking of the RCC). And you reply no that is not so, and then deceitfully answer that celibacy is not necessary in the Eastern Rite Churches, knowing full well I was speaking of the RCC, then what kind of debate is it??
In truth the RCC has never allowed married priests. They have always demanded celibacy of the priesthood. It happens to be one of the seven sacraments: "The celibacy of the priesthood". How can you counter that, and make any exception for it. You can't.

 

[lori4dogs]

Typical Anglicans are found in England and Canada, not in third world Muslim nations. That is not true. I have been to nations like Nigeria. The difference is the culture. They are not like our "western, secular, humanistic, pluralistic, so-called civilized societies." They are religious nations. Just as the Muslims are religious so are the other minorities in the nation religious. Everyone is. And they are not ashamed of it as many here are. It is "proper" (for lack of a better word) to be religious. Thus your typical "Anglican" is not found in Nigeria, just religious ones. And you can find those in other "religious" third world nations as well. You will find them in India and Pakistan--a Hindu nation and an Islamic nation--both very religious.

In Canada the "typical" Anglican is somewhat like the "typical" Catholic. They crave the pomp and ceremony, the large Cathedrals, the ornate decorations, etc. That is your typical Anglican. They typical Anglican uses a "Prayer Book" just as a typical Catholic uses a "Missal." Both have very liturgical services. You might find the gospel in an Anglican Church (one in an hundred or less), but it is doubtful.
Like the RCC, the "typical" Anglican Church does not preach the gospel.
They are more interested in liturgy, atmosphere, environment, social work, good works, and just like the Catholics--BINGO!


It wasn't necessarily that the statements themselves were false. They were moot; out of context. If I make the statement concerning the celibacy of the priesthood (speaking of the RCC). And you reply no that is not so, and then deceitfully answer that celibacy is not necessary in the Eastern Rite Churches, knowing full well I was speaking of the RCC, then what kind of debate is it??
In truth the RCC has never allowed married priests. They have always demanded celibacy of the priesthood. It happens to be one of the seven sacraments: "The celibacy of the priesthood". How can you counter that, and make any exception for it. You can't.

So you are saying that only the Latin Rite Catholics are Roman Catholic?? That celibacy to the priesthood is one of the seven sacraments??

 

[lori4dogs]

"The Eastern Rite Catholics are part of the Roman Catholic Church, not the Orthodox Church."

Granted the majority of Roman Catholics belong to the Latin Rite but a significant amount of Easter Rite Churches do exist around the world. Their priest CAN marry.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0246.html

 

[lori4dogs]

Also, this taken from 'About.com':

"Most married Catholic priests are part of the Eastern Catholic Churches, also known as the Eastern Rite, who can be found in places like the Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia, the Ukraine, and other nations along the border between Western and Eastern Christianity. These churches are under the jurisdiction of the Vatican and they recognize the authority of the pope; however, their practices and traditions are much closer to those of the Eastern Orthodox Churches. One of those traditions is allowing priests to marry."

Eastern Rite Catholics are part of the Roman Catholic Church.

http://atheism.about.com/od/romancatholicism/a/celibacy_2.htm


Taken from the same article:
"Some estimates place the number of married priests at around 20% of all Catholic priests in the world."

That is a big part of the RCC ordaining married priest's if you ask me!

 

[lori4dogs]

You made the slanderous statement that one out of 100 Anglican churches teach the gospel. Are you basing that on what you see in the Anglican Church of Canada and The Episcopal Church? Those are very small provinces in a very large communion. Obviously the Church of Nigeria, a huge province larger than any other Anglican province is bible-believing and evangelical.

When you make slanderous statements like you did it about 'typical Anglicans' you become ruin your credibility.

Still waiting for you to suport your statement that "And you reply no that is not so, and then deceitfully answer that celibacy is not necessary in the Eastern Rite Churches, knowing full well I was speaking of the RCC, then what kind of debate is it??"

I proved to you that these Eastern Rite Churches are part of the Roman Catholic Church and that approximately 20% of the RCC priests in the world are married. Surprised! most people in the West are.

 

[JohnDeereFan]

You made the slanderous statement that one out of 100 Anglican churches teach the gospel.

Given the state of the Anglican Church today, I'd say 1/100 is being pretty generous.

 

[lori4dogs]

Given the state of the Anglican Church today, I'd say 1/100 is being pretty generous.

Could you share with us the 'state of the Anglican Church'??

Don't you really mean the Anglican Communion? 1/100 is ridiculous and slanderous. If you don't know what you are talking about it would be better if you don't speak.

 

[DHK]

You made the slanderous statement that one out of 100 Anglican churches teach the gospel. Are you basing that on what you see in the Anglican Church of Canada and The Episcopal Church? Those are very small provinces in a very large communion. Obviously the Church of Nigeria, a huge province larger than any other Anglican province is bible-believing and evangelical.

When you make slanderous statements like you did it about 'typical Anglicans' you become ruin your credibility.

I have not lost any credibility at all. You lose it every day you post.
I don't know whether or not you have been to Nigeria.
I have been to many countries similar to Nigeria.
Religious is not necessarily evangelical.
Being in a religious society and culture is different than being in a secular society and culture such as ours. I know you don't understand that difference.
The 25 million Anglicans don't make up the bulk of the Anglican Church, as you have even deceitfully maintained, and therefore are not the "typical" Anglican.

Anglicanism is one of the major religions in Canada. I make it a practice to go door to door--a type of evangelism. I meet quite a few Anglicans. I may have met one in a thousand that has understood what it means to be saved. So when I said one in a hundred preach the gospel it was a generous figure, as noted by another poster. Very few know the gospel. They are lost in what is called "the social gospel," and getting to heaven via their good works--in other words going to Hell. That is sad. But it is true.

The religiosity of Anglicans does not make the saved nor evangelical. It simply makes them religious.

 

[lori4dogs]

Well, DHK, the Anglican Church may be a major religion in Canada but it is still a small province in the Anglican Communion. No it is not Evangelical, although J.I. Packer is still preaching the word.

You make a judgement on something you don't know about. Look at this statement made in the FAQ's of the Church of Nigeria website and tell me they aren't evangelical:
Q1.Who is a CHRISTIAN?

"A Christian is one who is Christ-like, one who has the mind of Christ. One who having realised the fallen nature of humanity has repented of sins and accepted Jesus the Christ as his or her personal lord and saviour."

What part of that statement is not evangelical?? The province is the LARGEST by far in the Anglican Communion and you are telling me they aren't evangelical.


Where do you get your information about the Church of Nigeria??
It's a ridiculous statment. Where do you get the idea that Anlicans in Nigeria are simply religious and not evangelical? You shouldn't judge people you have never met. I go by what I have read and missionaries that have been there.

Let's see, there are approximately seventy million Anglicans in the Anglican Communion. 25 in Nigeria
Another evangelical province is Uganda, about 7 to 8 million. That puts us over 30 million. Add another 2 million (same size as the Episcopal Church) by the Church of Tanzania. Plus, there are many more provinces that are evangelical. Get the picture. The majority of Anglicans in the world live in the Global South and are evangelical.

You accused me, on the Presbyterian thread, of making slanderous statements about the Presbyterians. You are doing it here with the Anglicans. I didn't respond when you made the accusation other than to say I should have said PCUSA when I mentioned the church that started a disernment process. However, in reality the other denominations claiming to be Presbyterian are small and not very significant. PCUSA makes up the bulk of Presbyterianism here in the states.
PCUSA is, for the most part, is pretty liberal, but I'm not speaking of the denomination worldwide. I don't know anything about it and you don't know anything of the Anglican Church outside of Canada, USA, and maybe Great Britain. Small provinces, most of their members don't attend service and not where you find your 'typical Anglican' anymore.

 

[lori4dogs]

DHK, still waiting for you to show your proof that all Roman Catholic priest's must take a vow of celibacy. I showed you proof to the contrary.

 

[lori4dogs]

DHK, I also want to add that when you accuse me of being 'decietful' you are really saying that I am lying.

When I provided evidence of the Eastern Rite Catholic priest having the option to marry you said I was being decietful. The incinuation is that these churches are not part of the Roman Catholic Church. I really don't think you knew they were and cannot bring yourself to say you made a mistake. That is sad.

 

[DHK]

DHK, I also want to add that when you accuse me of being 'decietful' you are really saying that I am lying.

When I provided evidence of the Eastern Rite Catholic priest having the option to marry you said I was being decietful. The incinuation is that these churches are not part of the Roman Catholic Church. I really don't think you knew they were and cannot bring yourself to say you made a mistake. That is sad.

I already stated (in case you didn't read it), that your statement in and of itself may be true. But considering the context of this conversation it is either out of context, or deceitful for you to bring it into the conversation.
We (or at least I) am not speaking of the Eastern Orthodox Church, nor the Eastern Rite Catholic Church, nor any of the other branches of the Roman Catholic Church. I was speaking of the Roman Catholic Church, period--not all of its off shoots, branches, etc. In fact I wasn't even speaking of its sects such as the Charismatic Catholics. I was simply speaking in general terms of the RCC. And the RCC does demand celibacy for its priesthood. That is a known fact. Forget all the different rites--your loopholes outside of the mainstream of Roman Catholicism. You and I both know that is not what I am speaking of. Why would I have to list more than 100 sects of Roman Catholicism just to make myself clear? Surely you can do better than that with your comprehension.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church lists the sacraments as follows: "The whole liturgical life of the Church revolves around the Eucharistic sacrifice and the sacraments. There are seven sacraments in the Church: Baptism, Confirmation or Chrismation, Eucharist, Penance, Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders, and Matrimony."[5] (Wikipedia)

Now look at what the Vatican itself says:

The Church Is Committed to Priestly Celibacy
General Audience — July 14, 1993
In the Gospels, when Jesus called his first apostles to make them "fishers of men" (cf. Mt 4:19; Mk 1:17; Lk 5:10), they "left everything and followed him" (Lk 5:11; cf. Mt 4:20, 22; Mk 1:18, 20). One day Peter remembered this aspect of the apostolic vocation and said to Jesus: "We have given up everything and followed you" (Mt 19:27; Mk 10:28; cf. Lk 18:28). Jesus then listed all the necessary detachments "for my sake," and "for the sake of the Gospel" (Mk 10:29). This did not only mean renouncing material possessions, such as "house" or "lands," but also being separated from loved ones: "brothers or sisters or mother or father or children," according to Matthew and Mark, and "wife or brothers or parents or children," according to Luke (18:29).

These observations help us understand the reason for the Church's legislation on priestly celibacy. In fact, the Church has considered and still considers that it belongs to the logic of priestly consecration and to the total belonging to Christ resulting from it, in order to fulfill consciously his mandate of evangelization and the spiritual life.

Indeed, in the Gospel according to Matthew, shortly before the passage cited above about leaving loved ones, Jesus expressed in strong Semitic language another renunciation required "for the sake of the Gospel," that is, the renunciation of marriage. "Some have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven" (Mt 19:12). They are committed to celibacy, that is, in order to put themselves entirely at the service of the "Gospel of the kingdom" (cf. Mt 4:23; 9:35; 24:34).

The RCC by its own official decree demands celibacy in its priesthood.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/alpha/data/aud19930714en.html


I trust that will be enough evidence for you.

 

[lori4dogs]

I already stated (in case you didn't read it), that your statement in and of itself may be true. But considering the context of this conversation it is either out of context, or deceitful for you to bring it into the conversation.
We (or at least I) am not speaking of the Eastern Orthodox Church, nor the Eastern Rite Catholic Church, nor any of the other branches of the Roman Catholic Church. I was speaking of the Roman Catholic Church, period--not all of its off shoots, branches, etc. In fact I wasn't even speaking of its sects such as the Charismatic Catholics. I was simply speaking in general terms of the RCC. And the RCC does demand celibacy for its priesthood. That is a known fact. Forget all the different rites--your loopholes outside of the mainstream of Roman Catholicism. You and I both know that is not what I am speaking of. Why would I have to list more than 100 sects of Roman Catholicism just to make myself clear? Surely you can do better than that with your comprehension.

It is not a 'loophole'. You think that the Latin Rite IS the RCC. That is a fallacy. The Latin Rite is one part of the RCC. The Eastern Catholic Church [I]is[/I] part of the RCC. It is not a branch like the Anglican Church or the Eastern Orthodox Church. It IS part of the Roman Catholic Church, period.

Now look at what the Vatican itself says:

The RCC by its own official decree demands celibacy in its priesthood.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/audiences/alpha/data/aud19930714en.html


I trust that will be enough evidence for you.

No, that is only pertaining to the Latin Rite.

from your own source: ". . . Synod of Bishops confirmed: "The law of priestly celibacy existing in the Latin Church is to be kept in its entirety" (Ench. Vat., IV, 1219).

 

[lori4dogs]

Actually, DHK, it is you who has said that you are only speaking of the Latin Rite. Actually, you haven't said that but I know that is what you really mean. You think that the Eastern Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodox Church are the same church. Your wrong! Eastern Catholics are part of the RCC. You just won't admit that part of the RCC has married priest.

Either the Eastern Catholic Church is part of and under the authority of the Roman Catholic Church or it is not. I proved to you that it is.

 

[DHK]

Well, DHK, the Anglican Church may be a major religion in Canada but it is still a small province in the Anglican Communion. No it is not Evangelical, although J.I. Packer is still preaching the word.

You are right. It is not evangelical. Neither is the Church of England, or the Church of Nigeria. They are religious, not evangelical. Just like the RCC, the Anglican Church has their own Creed that they must adhere to that distinguishes them from the RCC and other denominations. Otherwise they would not be Anglican. What is the Anglican Catechism. What are the Anglican beliefs in England and what are the Anglican beliefs in Nigeria. If they differ so much then why are they both Anglican? If you are truthful you will admit that the RCC is far more "evangelical" or religious in Nigeria than in California as well. But you wouldn't really know that. You can only really go by "hearsay," as the courts would describe it. You live in California, and haven't been there have you?

You make a judgement on something you don't know about. Look at this statement made in the FAQ's of the Church of Nigeria website and tell me they aren't evangelical:

That is where you are wrong. I am a missionary and I have been to many similar third world nations whose primary religion is Islam, just like Nigeria. They are religious nations. Ours are secular. It makes a big difference. They can and do talk the talk. That doesn't mean they are saved.

Q1.Who is a CHRISTIAN?

"A Christian is one who is Christ-like, one who has the mind of Christ. One who having realised the fallen nature of humanity has repented of sins and accepted Jesus the Christ as his or her personal lord and saviour."

What part of that statement is not evangelical?? The province is the LARGEST by far in the Anglican Communion and you are telling me they aren't evangelical.

There are similar things that are written in the RCC Catechism. But few if any are saved. Words mean little when written on a piece of paper. Even the Muslims have access to a Bible. But reading the Bible alone will not save them. Reading a statement of faith won't save anyone either.

Where do you get your information about the Church of Nigeria??
It's a ridiculous statment. Where do you get the idea that Anlicans in Nigeria are simply religious and not evangelical? You shouldn't judge people you have never met. I go by what I have read and missionaries that have been there.

As you have summed it up: You get your information by "hearsay."
I get my information by firsthand experience.
There is a big difference.

Let's see, there are approximately seventy million Anglicans in the Anglican Communion. 25 in Nigeria
Another evangelical province is Uganda, about 7 to 8 million. That puts us over 30 million. Add another 2 million (same size as the Episcopal Church) by the Church of Tanzania. Plus, there are many more provinces that are evangelical. Get the picture. The majority of Anglicans in the world live in the Global South and are evangelical.

I get the picture. You put your faith and trust in numbers. I tried to point out to you how futile that is. You don't get it do you? Try to take another example.

The Catholic Church (to which you are converting) is almost one billion in size. Where does the Catholic Church have its HQ's? Vatican of course--the residence of the pope. But in all of Italy which includes Rome and the Vatican there are less than 56 million Catholics. Is the typical Catholic an Italian, an Englishman, an American, a Canadian? What do you think of when you think of a Catholic.

Perhaps the RCC should think of moving its HQ's to Brazil, the most populous Catholic nation at 137 million Catholics. This is your logic. The "typical" Catholic is a Brazilian, a South American third world country. Your logic makes no sense.

Just as the RCC would never move its HQ's from Rome, so would the Anglican Church never move its HQ's from England. And the head will always by the English Archbishop of Canterbury--presently Rowan Williams. I don't think he is considering a move to Africa any time soon.

BTW, who makes such executive decisions as these: the Church of Nigeria or the Church of England:

The Anglican Centre in Rome

• provides a permanent diplomatic presence in Rome for the Anglican Communion
• is the base for the Archbishop of Canterbury's Representative to the Holy See
• provides a ministry of prayer and hospitality
• offers educational opportunities, courses and a library
• gives advice on pilgrimages and visits to Rome
• contributes to conversations and builds friendship between Anglicans and Roman Catholics at every level
• encourages and resources working and growing together in unity and mission

"The Anglican Centre has become both a focus for creative encounter between Anglicans and Roman Catholics and a major resource for Anglicans of very varied background and conviction. It is a vital gift to the Communion and to the whole ecumenical enterprise."
+Rowan Williams
Archbishop of Canterbury

http://anglicancentre.churchinsight.com/Groups/108931/Anglican_Centre_in.aspx
Coming full circle to the original subject of "ecumenism", both churches must sacrifice doctrine to cooperate with each other, or become one again.

The home of the Anglican Church is indeed in England.

 

[lori4dogs]

DHK said : "BTW, who makes such executive decisions as these: the Church of Nigeria or the Church of England"

Neither, the Anglican Communion has a council made up of primates from the different provinces. Again, you are wrong.

The Church of England just had their General Synod. Did they make decisions for the rest of the Anglican Communion? Certainly not.

Here is an example: Four Episcopal Church diocese's withdrew from the Episcopal Church. Together with other Anglicans in the U.S. they formed the ACNA (Anglican Church of North America) which must be recognized by the majority of provinces in the Anglican Communion to be considered a new province. Can the Church of England or the Archbishop of Cantebury make this decision?? Certainly not!

BTW, you are also wrong about 'both churches must sacrifice doctrine to cooperate with each other'. The Catholic Church has sacrificed no doctrine, nothing , nada!
This is where the 'married clergy' issue came up. You said if the Anglicans were allowed to join the RCC and their priests remained married this would indicate a change in RCC doctrine. WRONG!

I showed you that there may be as much as 20% of all RCC priest who are married via the Eastern Catholic or Uniate Churches. From About.com: "Some estimates place the number of married priests at around 20% of all Catholic priests in the world. This would mean that 20% of all Catholic priests are officially and legally married, even though celibacy continues to be a requirement. But marriage is not limited to priests who are part of the Eastern Catholic Churches — we can also find about 100 Catholic priests in America who are married and who are part of the Western Catholicism that comes to mind when most think of Catholicism."