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What Do These Passages Teach?

37818

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You have a very unbiblical view of Jesus Christ
Unbiblical how? Please give the specific quote from this thread by me and one specific quote from the word of God.
I affrim that God has always been One undivied God and three distinct Persons who are God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit who are the One and the same God.
 

SavedByGrace

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Unbiblical how? Please give the specific quote from this thread by me and one specific quote from the word of God.
I affrim that God has always been One undivied God and three distinct Persons who are God the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit who are the One and the same God.

what is this?

"Well as the Eternal Son has limited some of His knowing that those who reject Him will have no such excuse for rejecting Him."
 

37818

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I'm sorry, I don't understand that sentence. I need a comma somewhere.
Well as the Eternal Son has limited some of His knowing, that those who reject Him will have no such excuse for rejecting Him. The excuse that God is fully omniscient knowing who will and will not accept salvation.
 

37818

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what is this?

"Well as the Eternal Son has limited some of His knowing that those who reject Him will have no such excuse for rejecting Him."
You have given no Holy Scripture to prove that understanding is unBibical. Are you an open theist? I am not.
 
Well as the Eternal Son has limited some of His knowing, that those who reject Him will have no such excuse for rejecting Him. The excuse that God is fully omniscient knowing who will and will not accept salvation.
If you mean there is no excuse for the unbeliever at the great white throne judgment, I agree. Your reasoning for why there is no excuse is a little tortured for me. I know there is no excuse for unbelievers because of Romans 1:18-22.
 

Dave G

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Yep, even after we're saved. Romans 2:1
I see Romans 7:14-25 applying to the believer after they have been born again, while Romans 2:1 is speaking to those who have already believed and functions as a lesson to us...resulting in His word abasing us.


Also, salvation is "of the Lord" and is determined by God;
Please see Psalms 65:4, Romans 8:28-30, Romans 9, Ephesians 1:4-6, Ephesians 2:10, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 and many more.
I know, and thankfully, we have 1 John 1:9, Rev 3:20 and Psalm 51, as promises and examples of what believers can do when we choose to repent.
I agree with the highlighted, my friend.
Thankfully, there is hope for those who have believed on Christ, and there is glory for God in us knowing that He always comes to His children, stands at the door and knocks.

Truly, we have a Friend that sticks closer than a brother.:)
 
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37818

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Only God's people were under the law; that's the context of Hebrews 10. There is no covenant between God and unbelievers to be found in Scripture. Your view that Hebrews 10:29 speaks of the unsaved fails at the next verse: "The Lord shall judge His people." The unsaved are not God's people.

God's people can be severely judged without losing their salvation.
It is also my understanding God's people under the Law was Israel which is made up of both saved and perishing. Exodus 32:33, Daniel 12:1, Revelation 20:15.
 

Dave G

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Yep. And with a similar consequences for believers, get marched naked to Babylon, like the Northern Kingdom got marched to Assyria, if we don't change our minds.
According to Romans 3:10-18 and Jeremiah 13:23, who actually is willing to do that...
who changes their minds in and of themselves?
Based on John 3:19-21, who is it that comes to God?;)

Larry,
I see that "dead in trespasses and sins" ( Ephesians 2 ) is in context with Psalms 10:2-11, Psalms 14:1-4, Psalms 58:3, Romans 1:18-32, Romans 3:10-18 and many others, and we are all wicked, rebellious and stubborn sinners but for God's miraculous work of the new birth in us.
In other words, we don't choose to be born again, my friend...
God has to do that for us before we can even approach Him in our hearts ( Psalms 65:4 ).
It's a product of God's will ( John 1:13, James 1:18 ), not our own.

Repentance follows a change of heart...it does not precede it.
We don't repent in order to get God to change it, and we don't agree with Him out of a hardened heart;
He has to soften it first.

If someone ( like David, for example in Psalms 51 ) cries out to the Lord in repentance and sorrow for sins,
it's because God has already performed a miracle in them.:Cool
David himself recognized this when he wrote Psalms 65.



May God bless you greatly in your studies.:)
 
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Van

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Christ laying down His life "a ransom for all" does not mean that all have accepted it. Look at the parable of the wedding feast in Matthew 22. The groom's father says “See, I have prepared my dinner, my oxen and my fat calves have been slaughtered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding feast.”’ But those FOR whom all that was prepared paid no attention and didn't come and partake.

Here's a helpful introduction to basic logic. If A=B, and B=C, then A=C.

A. He purchased (bought) all humankind with His blood (acc. to Van).
B. The possession purchased with His blood is sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption (Acts 20:28, Ephesians 1:13-14, Ephesians 4:30).
C. All humankind (acc. to Van) is therefore sealed with the Holy Spirit.

So to answer your question about who says all humankind is sealed with the Holy Spirit, that would be you, my friend.
Did the fellow of 2 Peter 2:1 accept Christ? Nope. So who said everyone accepted? Nobody! On and on folk, on and on...
Christ gave Himself as a ransom for all according to scripture.
Those chosen and placed into Christ, the "few who find the narrow way that leads to life" are sealed in Christ with the Holy Spirit.

Pay no attention to the non-stop false charges by those that suggest salvation can be lost.
 

AustinC

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are you suggesting that after we are saved by grace, we live a life of sin???
This, according to you, "unbiblical" passage should suffice.
Romans 6:1-23
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. We know that our old selfwas crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin. Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him. For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God. So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, to make you obey its passions. Do not present your members to sin as instruments for unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life, and your members to God as instruments for righteousness. For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness. I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification. For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. But what fruit were you getting at that time from the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life. For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 

SavedByGrace

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Well as the Eternal Son has limited some of His knowing, that those who reject Him will have no such excuse for rejecting Him. The excuse that God is fully omniscient knowing who will and will not accept salvation.

what you have written makes no sense at all!
 

37818

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what you have written makes no sense at all!
Why did the LORD God not being fully omniscient say to Abraham in Genesis 22:12 "now I know?" Are you an open theist? I'm not. I believe it was the Son speaking truthfully Himself, being God, but not the Father.
 

SavedByGrace

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Why did the LORD God not being fully omniscient say to Abraham in Genesis 22:12 "now I know?" Are you an open theist? I'm not. I believe it was the Son speaking truthfully Himself, being God, but not the Father.

that is because you don't understand the English language!

NOW

"Used, especially in conversation, to draw attention to a particular statement or point in a narrative.
‘now, my first impulse was to run away’" (Oxford English Dictionary)

It does not always mean, "at the present time", as though not known in the past. So in the Hebrew, עַתָּה, also has the meaning, "already", as "I know with certainity". As in the LXX, which uses νῦν, where the meaning is, "as the case stands".
 
I see Romans 7:14-25 applying to the believer after they have been born again.

I agree as the entire book is applicable to believers and specifically not unbelievers. That's who Paul wrote the book to, Romans 1:7 and that was Paul's point beginning in Romans 2:1 when he rope-a-doped the believers in Rome.

Also, salvation is "of the Lord" and is determined by God;
Please see Psalms 65:4, Romans 8:28-30, Romans 9, Ephesians 1:4-6, Ephesians 2:10, 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 and many more.

I think you confuse salvation faith at the point of being saved, with the salvation faith of believers only, after being saved per Philippians 2.

He always comes to His children, stands at the door and knocks.

But not before they're saved. Jesus was not talking to unbelievers in Rev 3:20 but only to believers. Churches, ekklesia, assembled ones, aren't unbelievers.

According to Romans 3:10-18 and Jeremiah 13:23, who actually is willing to do that...
who changes their minds in and of themselves?

We do. Romans 3:21-24.

Based on John 3:19-21, who is it that comes to God?;)

Those who DO THE TRUTH first.

In other words, we don't choose to be born again, my friend...

Note to self: replace Acts 16:3, "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved..." with "it's the luck of God's draw pal."

God has to do that for us before we can even approach Him in our hearts ( Psalms 65:4 ).

If that were the context, then Psalm 65:2 necessarily means God saved all humans throughout human history because He IS the God who hears prayer.

Repentance follows a change of heart...it does not precede it.

1 John 1:9; Ezekiel 33:11; which comes first?

We don't repent in order to get God to change it, and we don't agree with Him out of a hardened heart;
He has to soften it first.

I'm pretty sure God convicts us of sin, righteousness and judgment, (John 16:8) which is the Holy Spirit's function to both believers and unbelievers and then we respond, not, and then God responds for us. His conviction is the red light and siren that gives us a clue when, as believers, we're not living righteousness by faith and for the unbeliever who can't live righteousness by faith as well per Romans 1. Nothing about softening first. Isaiah 40 until the end of the book is what God promised when "softening" didn't work.

If someone ( like David, for example in Psalms 51 ) cries out to the Lord in repentance and sorrow for sins,
it's because God has already performed a miracle in them.:Cool

That's not what Psalm 51 nor John 16:8 says.

May God bless you greatly in your studies.:)

Right back at ya.
 

Yeshua1

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here is the typical Reformed UNBIBILICAL response! You guys should listen to what the Holy Bible says, and NOT the warped theology that you blindly follow!

are you suggesting that after we are saved by grace, we live a life of sin???

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ (Matthew 7)

"Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord" (Hebrews 12:14)

READ WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!
We saved unto good works, but not kept saved by good works!
 

Yeshua1

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Well as the Eternal Son has limited some of His knowing, that those who reject Him will have no such excuse for rejecting Him. The excuse that God is fully omniscient knowing who will and will not accept salvation.
Does Jesus have limited knowledge right now?
 
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