What Identifies A Christian As A Baptist?

[ChristB4Us]

This is a totally wrong. I'm done with you. I will not interact with you anymore, and am putting you on ignore. You keep lying about me. I DO NOT see the filling of the Holy Spirit as a "sign" that God is calling me into the ministry. I NEVER SAID that, and don't believe it, and you are dishonest to say that I did.

It's not worth the effort to debate someone who continually prevaricates about me.

Then the way you "prevaricate", has you speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

You claim you never said that and yet you proclaim it by referring to that filling of the Holy Spirit as some sign for preaching boldly the gospel for what you seem to base your calling into the ministry by without actually referring to it directly.

So how can you know you had a filling of the Holy Spirit that you claim is God calling you into the ministry unless you felt a spirit coming over you later in life as a saved believer? It has to be a notable phenomenon like Joyce Meyers and my former neighbor across the street only they had this sensation of that "filling" as coming with tongues, whereas yours, which is implied, did not.

And yet you seem to think there is necessity for this filling of the Holy Spirit to boldly preach the gospel hence in order to go into the ministry.

If it be your desire to serve the Lord Jesus Christ rather than your pride and all your work based on that pride, you would seek to clarify your position or for Him to use you to minister to me, but instead, you just throw out accusations without quoting me whereas I have been quoting you from which you "prevaricated" enough for me to post as I did.

You also seem to think apostate means they were never saved nor of the faith in Jesus Christ which you are wrong also because you cannot be cut off from the vine, unless you were part of the vine by faith in Jesus Christ. You cannot fall away from the faith unless you were of the faith. You cannot void faith by engaging foolishly the deeds of the law unless you had faith to void it to begin with. So just because you are involved in a false teaching(s) which speaks the same words and language as those in apostasy, it does not mean you were never saved OR that you never had faith to begin with as you seem to believe apostate means.

It just means you are at risk of being excommunicated from the Marriage Supper even though you are still part of that kingdom of Heaven if you will note how the 5 foolish virgins were of the ten that ARE the kingdom of Heaven in Matthew 25:1 but He knew them not Matthew 25:12 ( and it was because they were being in iniquity of being out to the market seeking to be filled with extra oil ) when you compare about Him not knowing them with workers of iniquity in Matthew 7:21-23 & Luke 13:24-30.

Since the 5 that were ready for why they were not out to the market to seek to be filled with extra oil, as they were filled since salvation for why they were in that kingdom of Heaven in the first place, then the foolish being out to the market seeking extra oil in a work that denies Him for how they are in that kingdom of Heaven is why and how He did not know them, even though they were still in that kingdom of Heaven but missed out on the Wedding Reception with the Bridegroom.

So yeah... by the grace of God and His help, I oppose applying Ephesians 5:18 as if that is a command to seek a continual filling of the Holy Spirit when that is just an exhortation to stay sober as be filled with the Holy Spirit by avoiding getting drunk with wine with excess.

 

[ChristB4Us]

@ChristB4Us,
John 20:22 is a post resurrection pre ascension event. It is generally believed Jesus breaths the Holy Spirit on His Apostles.

Because it is pre ascension event and Jesus was still present with them, they were not receiving the Holy spirit as that Comforter yet. The condition for sending the Comforter was when Jesus was no longer with them thus sent by the Father.

Jesus starts off talking about His going to the Father one day to prepare a place for His disciples and that is when the promise of the forever indwelling holy Spirit will be sent to start His role as the Comforter.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The three views.
1) The eternal giving of the Comforter to His church.
2) For the command to receive the Comforter which occurs on Pentecost.

The Church began at Pentecost when His disciples were Biblically born again of the Spirit when Jesus was no longer present with them.

3) A temporary giving of the Holy Spirit . . .(Please explain . . .)

Under the Old Covenant, it was possible for Old Testament saints to lose the Holy Spirit.

Psalm 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Judas Iscariot had that temporary infilling of the Holy Ghost in Mattew 10th chapter and yet the prophesy was fulfilled that he was to be lost.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

So the event in Matthew 10th chapter and the one in John 20:22 was not Jesus giving the Holy Spirit as the Comforter at their salvation when that promise of the forever indwelling Holy Ghost was not to be given until Jesus had ascended to the Father and was no longer physically present with them.

Since Pentecost, no saved believer can lose the Holy Ghost per Ephesians 4:30 even if they become a former believer & get denied by Him at the pre great tribulation rapture event to be left behind, for He is faithful for He still abides in those former believers left behind see verse 13. 2 Timothy 2:11-13

 

[37818]

Judas Iscariot had that temporary infilling of the Holy Ghost in Mattew 10th chapter and yet the prophesy was fulfilled that he was to be lost.

Judas Iscariot had that temporary infilling of the Holy Ghost in Mattew 10th chapter and yet the prophesy was fulfilled that he was to be lost.

How do you get that in Matthew 10?

John 6:70, Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

 

[ChristB4Us]

How do you get that in Matthew 10?

Matthew 10:1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

John 6:70, Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Yeah, He said that, but look at what He said as having chosen you twelve but one of them i a devil?

That is why the Holy Spirit that Jesus had given then in Matthew 10th chapter & John 20:22 was only a temporary indwelling seeing how He was physically present with them since the condition for the permanent forever indwelling Holy Ghost was to be sent by the Father when Jesus was no longer physically present with them per John 14:25-26 but has ascended to the Father.

 

[yc205]

I would like to believe that we're all just having fun here with water guns and not actually friendly firing with intent to kill. lol

 

[John of Japan]

I would like to believe that we're all just having fun here with water guns and not actually friendly firing with intent to kill. lol

Welcome to the BB, with its faults.

 

[kyredneck]

I would like to believe that we're all just having fun here with water guns and not actually friendly firing with intent to kill. lol

There's some that take themselves and this site way too seriously.

 

[37818]

For some, taking some issues as serious, is too serious. It is just sometimes goes that way.

 

[ChristB4Us]

I would like to believe that we're all just having fun here with water guns and not actually friendly firing with intent to kill. lol

There's some that take themselves and this site way too seriously.

For some, taking some issues as serious, is too serious. It is just sometimes goes that way.

And yet this forum goes through the trouble of dividing Baptists from other Christians.

Meanwhile a Baptist member goes around acting as if he has authority to tell someone that they are not really a Baptist just because I do not believe baptism by immersion is a specific commandment that all Baptists must do to be a Baptist when Paul testified that water baptism has nothing to do with salvation in 1 Corinthians 1:17-21 for why that issue should be moot to Baptists.

Having left the Presbyterian church as a member a long time ago, I have been searching and thus I had thought I had found the Baptist church that was not affiliated with Protestants as coming out of the Catholic Church as being an independent fundamentalist church that grew apart from the RCC as with the early churches of the N.T., but nope. It no longer exists as they are not all speaking the same thing.

And because of certain creeds, they worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son as well as the Trinity and so evidence of unbiblical outside influence is why that church is not the same as the early church of the N.T. and so I stopped being identified as a Baptist and just wish to follow Jesus in testifying of Him in seeking His glory than be identified with a church that I had thought, was existing as outside of the sphere of RCC's influences but nope. The creeds is proof of that.

So I trust the Lord Jesus Christ to help me be a better witness of Him and just identifying myself as a non-Baptist Christian seems to be the best course to take here in this forum.