What Is Free Will?

[Silverhair]

Except I just told you it doesn't so stop being dishonest.

As long as your view does not agree with the bible why would I say that it does. Your just saying that does not make it so.

 

[Silverhair]

Show me a reference that states God elects based on who he saw would believe in him. You won't find one.

Same as you will not find one that says God is a trinity, but I do not doubt it. Do you? Well you must as according to you if the exact words are not in the bible then t can not be true.

 

[Silverhair]

Last I checked, Romans was inspired by God, not an out of context commentary. So your whole post, to put it plainly, is stupid.

Did I say it was out of context, NO. What your response shows is that you do not understand what the use of Midrash is. But, as per normal, just make pejorative comments.

 

[Silverhair]

I have been shown nothing of the sort. All I have been shown is out of context Scripture.

If you think the verse is being used out of context then show me how.

 

[Reformed1689]

As long as your view does not agree with the bible why would I say that it does. Your just saying that does not make it so.

You obviously don't know what my view is since you can't even be honest about it.

 

[Reformed1689]

If you think the verse is being used out of context then show me how.

Just read the thread.

 

[Reformed1689]

Did I say it was out of context, NO. What your response shows is that you do not understand what the use of Midrash is. But, as per normal, just make pejorative comments.

Read your post.

 

[Reformed1689]

Same as you will not find one that says God is a trinity, but I do not doubt it. Do you? Well you must as according to you if the exact words are not in the bible then t can not be true.

Strawman. My point is you don't have anything from the Bible that claims that or even infers that. But we DO have direct quotes that say God CHOOSES based on his own pleasure.

 

[Silverhair]

I did not deny it and you should quit being so dishonest. 1 Tim. 2:4 has a context and you are ignoring it.

The context does not say what you want it to say.

1Ti 2:1 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men,
1Ti 2:2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.
1Ti 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Are Kings and those in authority not part of ALL MEN. You are reading into the text what you need to find so that it fits your theology.

 

[Silverhair]

On the contrary, I am Calvinist, as long as it agrees with Scripture. All I do is tell you how I read Scripture because it is plainly there.

And all I am doing is telling where I see that Calvinism does not fit with scripture. Calvinism, as I have seen it presented and as I have read in their texts undermines the character of God. That is why I disagree with calvinism.

 

[Silverhair]

Read your post.

Don't have to read it again, but perhaps you should.

 

[Reformed1689]

And all I am doing is telling where I see that Calvinism does not fit with scripture. Calvinism, as I have seen it presented and as I have read in their texts undermines the character of God. That is why I disagree with calvinism.

But when you repeat what we say we believe, you say something different than what we believe. So either you misunderstand us or are dishonest or both.

 

[Silverhair]

Strawman. My point is you don't have anything from the Bible that claims that or even infers that. But we DO have direct quotes that say God CHOOSES based on his own pleasure.

Please show me the quote that says "God CHOOSES based on his own pleasure". Remember no inference allowed as that is the standard you want everyone else to hold to. And remember choose to service is not the same as choose to salvation.

FYI
Rom_8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Conformed to the image of His son, those would be the ones that He knew would trust in Christ Jesus, right. Does God know who will come to faith, Yes does He cause them to believe No.

 

[Silverhair]

But when you repeat what we say we believe, you say something different than what we believe. So either you misunderstand us or are dishonest or both.

What you claim to be biblical is in fact not. That is not dishonest or me misunderstanding your view. You and many others have made it clear what you believe. I am just pointing out the errors in your theology.

 

[Reformed1689]

Please show me the quote that says "God CHOOSES based on his own pleasure". Remember no inference allowed as that is the standard you want everyone else to hold to. And remember choose to service is not the same as choose to salvation.

FYI
Rom_8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Conformed to the image of His son, those would be the ones that He knew would trust in Christ Jesus, right. Does God know who will come to faith, Yes does He cause them to believe No.

Yes, Romans 8:29, one of the STRONGEST arguments for the Calvinist position. That is foreknew, not foresaw. There is a difference. It is talking about a choice of someone known to Him. An intimate knowledge. One he has chosen. It has nothing to do with him seeing what we would do and making a choice.

 

[Reformed1689]

What you claim to be biblical is in fact not. That is not dishonest or me misunderstanding your view. You and many others have made it clear what you believe. I am just pointing out the errors in your theology.

If you say we believe something after we have told you that is not what we believe you have either misunderstood or are dishonest. That is NOT pointing out errors. It is strawman arguments.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you care to actually deal with what I wrote rather than going on a rant like a spoiled brat?

lol. Man I have been dealing with what you right all along.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Oh yeah I read the Bible, but clearly you read the bolded part, but then don't read past the comma.

No, I read the whole thing.

Your problem is you ignore the bolded part.

You read to make the word fit your belief system, thats why world means elect. All sin forgiven does not mean all sin forgiven. And all the other stuff you read.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

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Good day my friend.

is the a reason we do this in this chat room. So many times I come in and see I have replies to me, then when I go to answer the thread is closed..

I am just wondering.

 

[Reformed1689]

No, I read the whole thing.

Your problem is you ignore the bolded part.

You read to make the word fit your belief system, thats why world means elect. All sin forgiven does not mean all sin forgiven. And all the other stuff you read.

No, I didn't ignore anything. AND I do not say that world means elect so you can stop pushing that point.