What or who is predestinated?

Nobody said they NEEDED to be...but they were. Why if they are a corpse in the first place? What kind of a corpse can be blinded, or have their heart "hardened". They're corpses...right?

What needs to be dealt with in regards to the atonement?

Scripture to support what exactly, we are not to lean on our own understanding (Prov. 3:5), or physically dead people can respond (John 11)? You can't ask for Scripture to support a spiritually dead person responding to Christ...because you cannot provide Scripture that a spiritually dead person CANNOT respond to Christ.

Drawing is not the same thing as enabling. Drawing is to "entice" or make something desireable or attractive. Enabling means to turn something on. The Bible doesn't use "enable", it uses "draw".

I don't care what the "many" say, what does the Bible say?

I know you can go on for days, I've seen some of your marathon posts :laugh:
That's all good and everything, but it doesn't answer the question I asked, nor does it provide the proper Scripture to support man unable to respond to Christ.

I hope someday you will believe it's there

 

I also do this for the love of God, and because He tells us to. The difference is, my attitude isn't "I don't know who the elect are or aren't", it's more of a because "God so loves the world...that whoever believes will not perish, but have eternal life". Pretty big difference when looking at evangelism from a "gathering" standpoint, to a "planting" (a genuine love) standpoint.

 

Arthur,
There you go again. Claiming to believe like Spurgeon on this parable, then when it suits you, tell that you do not have to agree with everything he said. Its obvious that you have found others to argue with, so you and Dale enjoy the act.

 

What is more comical is your treatment of other Christians on BB while claiming to be a student of the Bible.

 

What I think is comical is I am reminded of a cartoon that had two dogs in it, the one was big and slow, and the other one little. The little dog just jumped around the big one saying, "right boss, you're right, and when you're right you're right". :laugh:

I don't know why I'm reminded of that. :wavey:

 

Maybe its one of the above avatars.

 

lololol!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: You hit the nail on the head.

George going to take it home and love it and kiss it and rub it!

Look George!!! it don't move no more. :laugh:

 

Job 40...

6Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

7Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

8Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

9Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?

10Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty.

11Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him.

12Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place.

13Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.

14Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.

 

Now Blammo,
There goes the bell for English class. We will have a test next session on the above word list. And remember, you must commit these words to memory, no cutting and pasting.

 

double post

 

good post saturn

 

what do you mean Blammo? Do you mind sharing who you and the boys are talking about?

 

Deep. and now back to the subject.


A new heart also will I give you, and a new Spirit will I put within you. Ezek 36:26

Don't you hate it when those mean oh Calvinist quote the BIBLE!! how dare them.

Ok...now post another joke

 

Hello Bob,

Nice joke.

Now back to the subject..

all these evil things come from within, and defile the man. Mark 7 :23

Yes..it is clear...man is defiled...DEAD in sins.


Now back to the jokes

 

Actually jayless arthur, I agree with most of what Calvin says, as does the Bible. It is too bad that you arent the spokesman for the free willers, as I have a real problem with people who think they are superior to others. Just as soon have you on the other side.