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What's the point of Jesus dying for everyone?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Isaiah40:28, May 1, 2007.

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  1. Jarthur001

    Jarthur001 Active Member

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    Please do not dodge these verses by leaving.


    And then we have Isaiah 43...you know the chapter you hate the most. :)

    How many times have I asked you to address Chapter 43?

    You can find these quotes and more at....http://www.bible.org
     
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  2. Isaiah40:28

    Isaiah40:28 New Member

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    Here's a good thread topic, joking of course:
    Why are anti-Calvinist websites so tacky?
    I just clicked through one of the links EX posted.
    Classic example.
     
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  3. webdog

    webdog Active Member
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    Didn't Jesus die for all creation? The greek Kosmos means universe, and we are told in Scripture ALL creation groans and longs for the day of restoration, not just humans. Christ's death was needed in order to restore all creation...not just mankind from sin.
     
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    What's your point?
     
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  5. Jarthur001

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    Just checking in..to see if these vereses had been addressed.

    nope
     
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    webdog Active Member
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    just what I stated. Christ didn't die only for the "elect"...He died for the "kosmos" (universe). Are there "elect creation" and 'reprobate creation' not humans?
     
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  7. Jarthur001

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    Are you saying Christ died for your pet dog? Web...man...tell me you are kidding.

    Dogs were not told they could not eat from the Tree. Dogs do not sin....so do not need to be saved. If you really believe this, then tell your pastor to start a new "pet worship service"

    Man is the sinner. It is man that messed up the place. all that happened in the fall, was because of man. All that happened at the Cross was the salvation of men.

    Mat 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins

    >>>>>and who pray tell are His people?

    2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
     
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    You have gone off the deep end brother :)
     
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    You're joking, right?
    This is your argument?
     
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    Can you post where I said that? I didn't think so...
    You don't think dogs suffer from the effects of sin? Go watch an illegal dog fight sometime and come back and tell me that sin hasn't affected dogs....or the great dane that weighs 30 lbs dying from starvation. I never said dogs sin, but they do suffer the affects of it.
    Man is responsible for the fall of Lucifer? I didn't realize man was around then...
     
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    Joking about what? Christ atoned for sin. Sin affects the universe, does it not? I'm kind of surprised you don't agree....with the whole "total depravity" view and all...
     
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    Do you ever use the Bible to substantiate your theories?
     
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  13. Jarthur001

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    This is great. You don't believe man is total depraved, but dogs are. :applause: :BangHead:

    **********
    mean time...still no reply on these verses.

     
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    While we wait on those other verses lets post a few more.

    Does this verse limit Gods love to those that love Him?


    so...does God chasten all men? If so, what is the point of this verse?
     
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    I'm just checking back....still nothing I see...

    So....how about another verse? :)


    Is anyone willing to claim that this verse applies to the whole world?
     
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    I'm just checking in for James.

    Nope, still nothing!
     
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    I don't believe the calvinist definition of total depravity.

    Cocky tonight, eh?
     
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    Just checking to see if anyone responded to James yet...

    webdog did, but other than that...


    NOPE!!!
     
    #218 Blammo, May 9, 2007
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    any one address a verse?

    nope :)

    just a sidetrack:laugh: :thumbs:
     
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  20. Blammo

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    Just checking to see if anyone addressed any of James' verses yet...

    STILL NOPE!!! :mad:
     
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