When did John the Baptist Get saved?

Back to addressing the question in this blog. John the Baptist did not experience salvation like you and I have. No rather John the Baptist was already "saved" filled with the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit without which no man can be saved, before he came of his mother's womb. Therefore he was not in need of salvation after birth like you and I were. And also of course the Lord Jesus Christ did not need to be saved. So in actuality we have two people who were born already in a condition of acceptance to the Father,

 

Mima,

You are on dangerous ground here. John was not born saved, no one is born saved. John was a sinner saved by grace just like all people. He would certainly be counted among the OT saints as he died before Christ. He was saved by grace through faith like us all. He needed a Savior just like we all do. If John is equal to Jesus why would John have to proclaim of another "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world"--why couldn't he just do it and save Jesus the trouble.

Bro Tony

 

This is allegorization at its height. Since when to you have the right to be so gnostic, claiming to have knowledge the rest of us don't know? Your arrogant 55 years doesn't cut it. Many cult leaders grew to be a ripe old age also.

"If no one sinned Satan wouldn't be alive today."
Can you demonstrate that through Scripture." My Bible indicates that Satan was both created and fell before man was even created.

You are still not making any sense nor addressing the rebuttal. They replied in such a way because at that point they didn't completely understand what Jesus meant. Many people still don't. I believe you are one of them.

You are right on one account. Words have meanings. So why are you making them say other than what they plainly mean? Again your heretical gnosticism shws through. You are claiming a knowlege for yourself that no one but you knows. That is gnosticism. The Bible does not equate dust to flesh. Words have meanings and that is not one of them. Adam was made from the dust of the ground. That is true. But to equate that to "flesh" with the rest of the Bible is a gross misinterpretation. Have you ever heard of hermeneutics? Perhaps you should study it.

Can you prove that? Elijah's body was taken into heaven. He was translated. He did not see death. So what other body did he occupy?

The words on paper that you seem to laugh at and mock are God's revelation to mankind. Are you sure you want to laugh at that?
DHK

 

edited for personal attack

[ May 19, 2006, 06:20 PM: Message edited by: DHK ]

 

He is using Scripture as much as you are; he's using it in English and using English words that are translated from Greek/Hebrew words that are most certainly in the Scriptures.

 

If you will take the time to study Romans and 1 Corinthians, you'll see that unless you have the Spirit of God, you are none of His. John had the Spirit of God even from the womb, so he was already His then.

What you're talking about has nothing to do with John being filled with the Spirit. The admonition to believers is to be filled with the Spirit, and controlled by the Spirit -- but it's an admonition not only to believers, but to believers who are running around OUTSIDE the womb. If you're going to use that argument, however, then you just proved that John the Baptist was not only a believer inside the womb, but that he was an obedient believer inside the womb. Silly, but that's your take, not mine.

I'll ask God if you like, when I get to heaven. Until then, I assume he was saved in the womb. Bob says he was saved at the point of baptism. Maybe he's right, I don't know. Frankly, it's not all that important to me when John the Baptist was saved.

 

No need to ask God when you get to Heaven, we should know now. JtB was saved by God's grace, through faith, in the same manner as EVERY human being is. Embryo's and zygotes don't have faith, as faith comes by hearing (understanding) and that from the Word of God. Basic stuff.

 

You know, aside from watching reruns of The Dukes of Hazzard, I can think of no bigger waste of time than to discuss things with someone who strains out a gnat and swallows a camel. Enjoy.

 

Well, I see I have been edited again and really don't remember what I said. If it was wrong then it should be edited but I see where others keep calling me a liar and none of that is edited so It just don't see to be on a equal playing field. But that as it may be.

The believers that make up the Church were resurrected from a dead state unto a lively Hope, so that is the resurrection I spoke of.

As far as others believing what I do that is up to them I merely posted the Scriptures and you are denying them, simple as that. I am saying what Jesus said about John and you say different. I will stay with Jesus. As far as an unsaved person baptizing our Lord I just don't accept and the Bible does not teach so. You can rattle on all you want but don't make it so. Now I guess this will be edited also.

 

They are not lies but you calling them lies is a lie. lets see which one gets edited now.