Where does faith come from? 2nd Rodeo

[revmwc]

Again this does not say salvation is "available" to all like it is an offer. When God calls His sheep to come to Him it is a call and it cannot be resisted, "...and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice." (John 10:3-4) Also, not all men are "heavy laden", therefore you are incorrect in your assumption that this is a command or even an invintation to all men indiscriminately to come, this call is only the burdened sinner whom the Holy Ghost has convicted of their sin and they know they have no hope and stand guilty outside of the merits of Christ. Most in the world do not have such a state of mind, thus those are not the ones he is calling to "Come unto me". This is what Jesus meant when He said, "for I am not come to call the righteous (HERE IT MEANS SELF RIGHTEOUS), but sinners to repentance." (Matthew 9:13). Jesus is explicit here saying His call is not to all men.




By "little children" Jesus means those that have the faith like a little child who believes all things, not all men who are by nature skeptics and unbelievers. He cannot mean here literal little children because the verse immediately after He says to let the "little children" come in Luke's gospel he qualifies what He says by declaring, "17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein." (Luke 18:17), if He in the verse means literally a physical "little child" as you contend this would mean nobody could be saved as an adult as He said if you do not "receive" the Kingdom...as a little child" you cannot enter in.




Again, when Jesus says they shall "all be taught of God" He cannot be meaning every single human being because He says the result of being taught of God is "Every man therefore that hath...Learned of the Father, cometh unto me", , but as we know not all people come "unto" Him, therefore this verse cannot be referring to every human being.




Only those who are thirsty come to drink and every man I have ever known when thirsty if drink is available will drink,rather than thirst to death, but the fact is that not every man comes to Christ to drink, therefore this proves not every man is thirsty, therefore "If any man thirst, let him come unto me" is again a limited call only to sinners who thirst for a refuge and redemption from their sin.

So let me get this straight, Jesus said all who labor and are heavy laden, are to come to Him. So who are those who labor? Those who believe in a works salvation that is those who like the pharisee

 

[SovereignGrace]

I remember when I was brain washed with the same opinions as you. God had to lead me on some crazy detours before I was able to see. I challenge you to ask him for truth.

I know the truth, His name is Christ. I know via the word He has preserved He will do everything for me He has promised via them.

 

[Bob Hope]

So let me get this straight, Jesus said all who labor and are heavy laden, are to come to Him. So who are those who labor? Those who believe in a works salvation that is those who like the pharisee

There is a difference between someone following Christ in true obedience and a Pharisee type that is doing works to be seen of men. One produces salvation, the other will not.

 

[Bob Hope]

I know the truth, His name is Christ. I know via the word He has preserved He will do everything for me He has promised via them.

You know via scriptures. The scriptures have lots of words in them.

 

[Internet Theologian]

I remember when I was brain washed with the same opinions as you. God had to lead me on some crazy detours before I was able to see. I challenge you to ask him for truth.

Reminds me distinctly of John 9:41 and it's saddening.

 

[Bob Hope]

Reminds me distinctly of John 9:41 and it's saddening.

Not to worry, God will straight us all out before its all over.

 

[Internet Theologian]

So let me get this straight, Jesus said all who labor and are heavy laden, are to come to Him. So who are those who labor? Those who believe in a works salvation that is those who like the pharisee

The context of Matthew 11:25ff first speaks of those to whom Christ wills to reveal Himself, and it is not every person who ever lived. He then invites these unto Himself, and they are burdened with sin to which the Son then sets them free to serve Him. Most take Matthew 11:28 out of its context instead of doing 2 Timothy 2:15.

 

[Bob Hope]

The context of Matthew 11:25ff first speaks of those to whom Christ wills to reveal Himself, and it is not every person who ever lived. He then invites these unto Himself, and they are burdened with sin to which the Son then sets them free to serve Him. Most take Matthew 11:28 out of its context instead of doing 2 Timothy 2:15.

There is no doctrine taught by Christ that does not apply to those of us living today. At least none that I can think of.

 

[SovereignGrace]

There is no doctrine taught by Christ that does not apply to those of us living today. At least none that I can think of.

If the word is full of errors, how can you put any confidence in them? How do you know Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John did not erroneously write what they did?

 

[BrotherJoseph]

So let me get this straight, Jesus said all who labor and are heavy laden, are to come to Him. So who are those who labor? Those who believe in a works salvation that is those who like the pharisee

Hi Brother Revmwc,

"The dead neither labor nor are they heavy laden, they slumber unconsciously in their graves; and all men are dead in sin, and as destitute of spiritual vitality until they are quickened by the Spirit, as the body of Lazarus was of natural life before Jesus raised him from the grave. But as soon as a sinner is quickened by the Holy Ghost he becomes a laborer, and is burdened with a heavy weight of guilt, and such are called to Jesus and find rest to their souls in bearing his yoke, which is easy, and his burden, which is light." (Invitations of The Gospel by Elder Gilbert Beebe http://www.asweetsavor.info/egb/invitations.php )

 

[Internet Theologian]

There is no doctrine taught by Christ that does not apply to those of us living today. At least none that I can think of.

Bob,

Your response doesn't even begin to make sense nor deal with what I stated. But then again you say the Scriptures are full of errors, that God led you on 'crazy detours' to give you the truth personally. That my friend is all lies, deception and utter heresy. All of it.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Bob,

Your response doesn't even begin to make sense nor deal with what I stated. But then again you say the Scriptures are full of errors, that God led you on 'crazy detours' to give you the truth personally. That my friend is all lies, deception and utter heresy. All of it.

And he accuses us of wearing mystical pink goggles?!?!? That reeks of mysticism. Any revelation outside God's holy writ isn't biblical

 

[Bob Hope]

Reminds me distinctly of John 9:41 and it's saddening.

Isaiah 1:19
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land

Isaiah 42:24
Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they obedient unto his law.

If the word is full of errors, how can you put any confidence in them? How do you know Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John did not erroneously write what they did?

There's the heart of the matter. You have put your faith in the idea that a piece of scripture is perfect. Christ made this question very clear. The Truth can only come to those who seek it. It can only be revealed by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Bob Hope]

And he accuses us of wearing mystical pink goggles?!?!? That reeks of mysticism. Any revelation outside God's holy writ isn't biblical

I'd hate to presume that the idea of a Holy Spirit is odd to you.

 

[Bob Hope]

And he accuses us of wearing mystical pink goggles?!?!? That reeks of mysticism. Any revelation outside God's holy writ isn't biblical

This verse must be really confusing to you.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew youthings to come.

 

[Internet Theologian]

And he accuses us of wearing mystical pink goggles?!?!? That reeks of mysticism. Any revelation outside God's holy writ isn't biblical

He denies the validity of Scripture, then attempts to quote what Christ said, in the Scriptures as authoritative?! The dudes a troll and in utter heresy.

 

[SovereignGrace]

This verse must be really confusing to you.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew youthings to come.

Jesus told His disciples "You study the scripture diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very scriptures that testify about me,[John 5:39] We have God's word and the Spirit to lead us and guide us into all truths.

 

[SovereignGrace]

This verse must be really confusing to you.

John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew youthings to come.

How do you know this is not chocked full of error? Jesus could have said 'SIKE!!!' and John erroneously forgot to write it.

 

[SovereignGrace]

"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. SIKE!!!"[John 16:13 BHV]

 

[Bob Hope]

Jesus told His disciples "You study the scripture diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very scriptures that testify about me,[John 5:39] We have God's word and the Spirit to lead us and guide us into all truths.

I didn't say the truth of salvation is not in scripture.