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JohnDeereFan

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Do you reject all the laws and decisions by the Supreme Court since the Constitution was written? Do you think we're living in the late 18th century? Maybe you do.

In other words, you can't show where Medicaid is found in the Constitution.

You realize the Constitution didn't expire in the "late 18th century", right?
 

InTheLight

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Just let therm die right? But let's increase our bloated military budget by $500B? I suppose I have different priorities than you do. I'm not interested in America becoming the ruler of the world but rather that we provide for the needy and aged in our population.
It's not an either/or proposition. I know that's how you view it but it needn't be that way. Once the economy gets going at a sustained rate of mid 3's to mid 4's GDP growth there will be revenues to do all sorts of things.

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JohnDeereFan

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Just let therm die right?

So, either outsource their care to the government or let them die? Why not help them, yourself?

As a Christian, we try to help them. But, as a Leftist, I understand that you prefer to outsource such responsibilities to the government.

I'm not interested in America becoming the ruler of the world but rather that we provide for the needy and aged in our population.

Then provide for them. But the Constitution doesn't give the government the power or responsibility to do that.
 

church mouse guy

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Just let therm die right? But let's increase our bloated military budget by $500B? I suppose I have different priorities than you do. I'm not interested in America becoming the ruler of the world but rather that we provide for the needy and aged in our population.

But not with your money, surely? Here in Indiana since the tax cut, we have been emptying out our nursing homes. We just send them to the ERs, which are standing room only right now. It is so cold here that the gravediggers are having to use jackhammers to dig a grave. Actually, if everyone over 65 were killed off due to this tax cut, it might help to balance Social Security, which would be a good thing. When I go to the county senior center, I notice that there are a lot of old people there--mostly women. They just sit around and eat day-old cookies, cakes, and pies and drink awful tasting decaf. I just go because snacks are free for people my age.
 

church mouse guy

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Just let therm die right? But let's increase our bloated military budget by $500B? I suppose I have different priorities than you do. I'm not interested in America becoming the ruler of the world but rather that we provide for the needy and aged in our population.

We are headed into a war. China is still giving oil to North Korea. The American defense plants are gearing up. Our navy is smaller than it was during the Great Depression. Our Air Force is all small parts and no operable planes. We are in an uphill struggle for survival, especially if North Korea sends an atomic bomb at us. In World War II, as you know, we helped China against Japan, but they hate us for it and so this time around we may have to help Japan against China.
 

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If only Hillary were President. She and Bill had death panels in their 1990s healthcare plan and so we could have just sent people from nursing homes to funeral homes without putting them on the sidewalks outside first....What Happened?
 

Matt Black

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In other words, you can't show where Medicaid is found in the Constitution.

You realize the Constitution didn't expire in the "late 18th century", right?
I don't give a tinker's cuss what your Constitution says, just what the Bible says. And the Bible clearly establishes an unequivocal preference for the poor, whether you look at just the Old Testament or the Gospels. I don't particularly care how that is delivered, whether that be by government or private individuals or both. However, since the latter has plainly failed as a stand-alone solution until the 20th century and both seem to work well together, then I'm happy to go with a mix of the two. What I cannot in all conscience countenance as a Christian, is the redistribution from poor to rich occasioned by this latest Bill. I cannot see how any Christian can lend it credence or be an apologist for it.
 

FollowTheWay

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In other words, you can't show where Medicaid is found in the Constitution.

You realize the Constitution didn't expire in the "late 18th century", right?
Do you reject the laws passed since the late 1700's? I suppose not if you supported Moore and the Sheriff Arrapo.
 

FollowTheWay

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It's not an either/or proposition. I know that's how you view it but it needn't be that way. Once the economy gets going at a sustained rate of mid 3's to mid 4's GDP growth there will be revenues to do all sorts of things.

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Trickle down economics never has worked as I've shown and won't work this time. The tax cuts for the rich and for corporations won't help the middle class at all.
 

InTheLight

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What I cannot in all conscience countenance as a Christian, is the redistribution from poor to rich occasioned by this latest Bill. I cannot see how any Christian can lend it credence or be an apologist for it.

Maybe you can explain how money will flow from the poor to the rich because of legislation that allows almost ALL PEOPLE TO KEEP MORE OF THEIR OWN MONEY. FollowtheWay has not been able to do this simple task. Maybe you can succeed where he has failed?
 

FollowTheWay

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So, either outsource their care to the government or let them die? Why not help them, yourself?

As a Christian, we try to help them. But, as a Leftist, I understand that you prefer to outsource such responsibilities to the government.



Then provide for them. But the Constitution doesn't give the government the power or responsibility to do that.
No. I help them in general and specifically have helped 3 people for at least 10 years. One person called me and said he had no food and I wired him $200. What EXACTLY do you do?
 

InTheLight

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Trickle down economics never has worked as I've shown and won't work this time. The tax cuts for the rich and for corporations won't help the middle class at all.

You realize that studies have shown that 91% of all taxpayers will get a tax cut. Since the rich comprise about 2% of all taxpayers that means, by definition, that the middle class will be getting tax cuts.

This is not trickle down economics (a term invented by the left, BTW.) And you've never shown that it has failed. You asked for proof that Reagan's tax cuts resulted in increased tax receipts and three people provided proof.
 

FollowTheWay

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But not with your money, surely? Here in Indiana since the tax cut, we have been emptying out our nursing homes. We just send them to the ERs, which are standing room only right now. It is so cold here that the gravediggers are having to use jackhammers to dig a grave. Actually, if everyone over 65 were killed off due to this tax cut, it might help to balance Social Security, which would be a good thing. When I go to the county senior center, I notice that there are a lot of old people there--mostly women. They just sit around and eat day-old cookies, cakes, and pies and drink awful tasting decaf. I just go because snacks are free for people my age.
Are you actually saying that KILLING OFF the old folks would be a good thing? You'll get a chance to explain that to the Lord one day.
 

FollowTheWay

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You realize that studies have shown that 91% of all taxpayers will get a tax cut. Since the rich comprise about 2% of all taxpayers that means, by definition, that the middle class will be getting tax cuts.

This is not trickle down economics (a term invented by the left, BTW.) And you've never shown that it has failed. You asked for proof that Reagan's tax cuts resulted in increased tax receipts and three people provided proof.
I agree that in the near term it will look good. After the individual cuts expire in 2025 81% of the benefits go to corporations and the richest 1%.
 

InTheLight

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I agree that in the near term it will look good. After the individual cuts expire in 2025 81% of the benefits go to corporations and the richest 1%.

When you say 81% of the benefits, do you mean in gross dollar amounts? Or what do you mean?

As to the individual cuts expiring, Ted Cruz is trying to work with Bernie Sanders to make them permanent.
 

FollowTheWay

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You realize that studies have shown that 91% of all taxpayers will get a tax cut. Since the rich comprise about 2% of all taxpayers that means, by definition, that the middle class will be getting tax cuts.

This is not trickle down economics (a term invented by the left, BTW.) And you've never shown that it has failed. You asked for proof that Reagan's tax cuts resulted in increased tax receipts and three people provided proof.
I will use George HW Bush's term in the future, Voodoo Economics.
 

FollowTheWay

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When you say 81% of the benefits, do you mean in gross dollar amounts? Or what do you mean?

As to the individual cuts expiring, Ted Cruz is trying to work with Bernie Sanders to make them permanent.
If the GOP were serious about doing that why didn't they do it now? Or why didn't they make the cuts to the 1% and corp. temp. and individual cuts permanent?
 

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When you say 81% of the benefits, do you mean in gross dollar amounts? Or what do you mean?

As to the individual cuts expiring, Ted Cruz is trying to work with Bernie Sanders to make them permanent.
That is going to unzing the strings of the hearts of a lot of leftists who literally worship the dude.
 
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