Whites Must Confront Reality

[Darrell C]

Originally Posted by Darrell C View Post
Agreed. What is sad is that he tries to tie Christianity to it, even while at the same time...criticizing the Church.

A verse for consideration:


Acts 9:4

King James Version (KJV)

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?


Men should tread lightly when presuming to judge the Body of Christ.


God bless.

He doesn't TRY to do anything.

He most certainly does:

He criticizes the Church, he is consumed with an unchristian liberal agenda, he slanders people...he doesn't even know.

He doesn't TRY to do anything.

This is only true in regards to responding to solid points given in address of the hate-stirring propaganda he posts.

He needs to understand the difference of being a Christian and being a Political Religionist.

It's wicked men like the many on this board who tie racism and racial prejudice to Christianity.

You're the only one doing that, so do you judge yourself a wicked man?

Could you quote another member that has stated their fellowship is racist and that is what their doctrine teaches?

A white supremacist would receive no better welcome here, I am sure. Any hatred that seeks to sever the unity of men through Christ is satanic. In Christ all men are equal. However, no matter what race we are there is never going to be an equality in carnal (worldly matters). Go to any country and you will find rich and poor, oppressed and oppressor.

Why do you seek to build such an atmosphere in this country? Why do you try to build such an atmosphere on this forum?

i said to stop even calling the board a Christian board because a person passing through sure couldn't tell by the behavior and wickedness of the many.

Like I said:


Acts 9:4

King James Version (KJV)

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?


Turn your attention to the Word of God instead of the garbage you seem to have immersed yourself in.

God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Color doesn't matter to a troll. It's the trouble they can stir up that matters most. They'll use whatever is handy.

On a number of forums I have been on there have been people who seek to infiltrate forums posing as Christians, whose agenda is only to pander to the Agenda of Human Secularism. Even Christians can get caught up in Political Religion and have their eyes turned away from the goal we should have: leading the lost to Christ. Most on Christian Doctrinal Discussion and Debate forums have a goal of readying themselves for that task by testing their, and others' doctrine, but, we have to be careful when it comes to the infiltrators, because they are adept at emotional manipulation and sometimes the end result is they accomplish their task by causing Christians to lose focus and self control, thus bringing reproach on their true enemy...Christ.

It's one thing for us to discuss politics from a Christian worldview, quite another to get so caught up with it that we neglect Doctrine. It is just my belief that the evils of this world can be dealt with through sound doctrine, which leads to sound practice.

Best to ignore people like that, particularly when they refuse to actually address the issues raised. I have seen some great responses to the hate-stirring charges yet they go unanswered. It would be one thing if they had an answer and dealt with the responses, but so far I have seen a blind charge despite the fact that the nonsense being spewed has been answered, and answered well.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Let's deal with the issues one at a time. Can you show me links to where slavery is being allowed to exist again?

Yes:


http://www.state.gov/j/tip/what/index.htm


And I would point out that this fellow's campaign seems to center on slavery involving black people, rather than slavery as an issue in general.

Does that not suggest agenda, and hypocrisy?


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

Sure Darrel. I always stir up unGodliness by pointing it out for what it is.

Yes I'm black or white.

Actually you stir up a satanic doctrine and practice that Satan has craftily manipulated people with for millennia.

No matter the race, supremacy has been the motivator of conquest for millennia, and you can thank God Himself that you live in a country that operates differently. While slavery was an issue in our early history, and black people suffered many terrible atrocities which were caused by both blacks and whites, many of us who are white live without racial issues being a central focus.

As Christians, our central focus is Christ, and keeping Him the focus keeps us from being sidetracked in carnal matters. And when He is the focus, any participation into these matters will be profitable, rather than to perpetuate hatred.

Yes I'm black or white.

If you're doctrine will not allow you to be honest and straightforward, you might want to step back and examine your heart.

Just my personal opinion but everyone who displays hatred for others, no matter the reason, whether it is white supremacists or closet black supremacists such as yourself...shows that if they had the power they would themselves become slavers. The irony is that they rail against people who closely resemble their hearts.

God bless.

 

[just-want-peace]

Actually you stir up a satanic doctrine and practice that Satan has craftily manipulated people with for millennia.

No matter the race, supremacy has been the motivator of conquest for millennia, and you can thank God Himself that you live in a country that operates differently. While slavery was an issue in our early history, and black people suffered many terrible atrocities which were caused by both blacks and whites, many of us who are white live without racial issues being a central focus.

As Christians, our central focus is Christ, and keeping Him the focus keeps us from being sidetracked in carnal matters. And when He is the focus, any participation into these matters will be profitable, rather than to perpetuate hatred.



If you're doctrine will not allow you to be honest and straightforward, you might want to step back and examine your heart.

Just my personal opinion but everyone who displays hatred for others, no matter the reason, whether it is white supremacists or closet black supremacists such as yourself...shows that if they had the power they would themselves become slavers. The irony is that they rail against people who closely resemble their hearts.

God bless.

Excellent analysis!:thumbs:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Darrell C, I am always impressed with how you handle touchy subjects. Thanx for showing up and letting your light shine.

 

[Rolfe]

Actually you stir up a satanic doctrine and practice that Satan has craftily manipulated people with for millennia.

No matter the race, supremacy has been the motivator of conquest for millennia, and you can thank God Himself that you live in a country that operates differently. While slavery was an issue in our early history, and black people suffered many terrible atrocities which were caused by both blacks and whites, many of us who are white live without racial issues being a central focus.

As Christians, our central focus is Christ, and keeping Him the focus keeps us from being sidetracked in carnal matters. And when He is the focus, any participation into these matters will be profitable, rather than to perpetuate hatred.



If you're doctrine will not allow you to be honest and straightforward, you might want to step back and examine your heart.

Just my personal opinion but everyone who displays hatred for others, no matter the reason, whether it is white supremacists or closet black supremacists such as yourself...shows that if they had the power they would themselves become slavers. The irony is that they rail against people who closely resemble their hearts.

God bless.

Well said.

 

[Zaac]

Actually you stir up a satanic doctrine and practice that Satan has craftily manipulated people with for millennia.

What I stir up is a truth that white people continue to not want to deal with.

No matter the race, supremacy has been the motivator of conquest for millennia, and you can thank God Himself that you live in a country that operates differently. While slavery was an issue in our early history, and black people suffered many terrible atrocities which were caused by both blacks and whites, many of us who are white live without racial issues being a central focus.

It doesn't have to be a central focus when you're white. That's what white privilege will do for ya.

As Christians, our central focus is Christ, and keeping Him the focus keeps us from being sidetracked in carnal matters. And when He is the focus, any participation into these matters will be profitable, rather than to perpetuate hatred.

Amazing that when I say these things, they get pushed to the side. When the wickedness of politics is in the way, the focus will not be on Christ. When the wickedness of racism and racial prejudice are in the way, the focus will not be on Christ.

And as the world continues to see this same brand of wickedness coming from the same people who condone this type of wickedness around the globe, your focus might be Christ, but it won't be Christ to the folks who don't know Him because they aren't gonna listen to ya.

If you're doctrine will not allow you to be honest and straightforward, you might want to step back and examine your heart.

You can save the manipulation. My doctrine has nothing to do with my skin color. So your desire to know is just that: your desire. It's as irrelevant on this board as it is on any other.

Just my personal opinion but everyone who displays hatred for others, no matter the reason, whether it is white supremacists or closet black supremacists such as yourself

I almost bit my tongue laughing so hard.

...shows that if they had the power they would themselves become slavers. The irony is that they rail against people who closely resemble their hearts.

God bless.

Nice try at allaying the issue of dealing with the wickedness coming out of folks who say they are followers of Jesus.

I truly suspect that a lot of folks don't follow Him and that's why some of the stuff that's said gets said.

As it stands, white Christians on this board and in churches across the nation are turning the same blind eye to these atrocities and white Christians did during slavery and Jim Crow.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

If you're doctrine will not allow you to be honest and straightforward, you might want to step back and examine your heart.

Just my personal opinion but everyone who displays hatred for others, no matter the reason, whether it is white supremacists or closet black supremacists such as yourself...shows that if they had the power they would themselves become slavers. The irony is that they rail against people who closely resemble their hearts.

God bless.

Hammer. Nail. :thumbs:

 

[Jedi Knight]

No, he is not. He is a white unmarried man born around 1970. And he's exactly what you think he is:

And you believe that? :laugh:

 

[Jedi Knight]

Could it be that he lacks proof because he only sees things in "black and white?" :smilewinkgrin:

:laugh: Nice Dude!

 

[Darrell C]

Originally Posted by Darrell C View Post
Actually you stir up a satanic doctrine and practice that Satan has craftily manipulated people with for millennia.

What I stir up is a truth that white people continue to not want to deal with.

Sorry, but white folk all over America deal with it, some positively, some negatively.

The same is true of black folk.

I interact with every race you can name and racism is never a factor, unless it is directed at myself. You see, some of us don't view other people in terms of color, but deal with people from a standpoint that is not new to human history. That is...that people are people. There are good and bad in all races.

And if you do not consider my responses, or the responses of your fellow members to be dealing with it, well, continue your campaign for Satan.

Don't fool yourself that Christ has motivated you to this ministry.

No matter the race, supremacy has been the motivator of conquest for millennia, and you can thank God Himself that you live in a country that operates differently. While slavery was an issue in our early history, and black people suffered many terrible atrocities which were caused by both blacks and whites, many of us who are white live without racial issues being a central focus.

It doesn't have to be a central focus when you're white. That's what white privilege will do for ya.

I've told you before...discrimination is color blind, Zaac.

You think white people are not discriminated against? No different than black people discriminating against black people.

As to me being white, well, as I have said several times to you (this being the first response I have seen you bother to give), that has not actually profited me as well as you might think. I am actually discriminated by white people in my trade. My company is small, so guess what, I don't receive the privileges that larger companies receive. Is that unfair? Not really, I can understand a company that sells more equipment than mine receiving more attention.

As for you being black, if you are, has that held you down? Nope.

You have.

As I have also said before, your campaign is a self-serving campaign fueled by satanic, not Christ-like desires. If you want to better yourself, read your Bible.

What's worst is I believe you simply feed the anger you have. Who instilled that in you, Zaac? Parents? Grandparents? I have always trained my nieces and nephews that racism is the game of fools. It has no place in the heart of the Christian.

And that you are a hypocrite with a satanic agenda is evident because you focus on an issue that pales in comparison with what is going on in the world today. Shall we blame white people?

Consider:

The continent of Africa is one of the most problematic regions in terms of contemporary slavery. Slavery in Africa has a long history, within Africa since before historical records, but intensifying with the Arab slave trade and again with the trans-Atlantic slave trade; the demand for slaves created an entire series of kingdoms (such as the Ashanti Empire) which existed in a state of perpetual warfare in order to generate the prisoners of war necessary for the lucrative export of slaves. These patterns have persisted into the colonial period during the late 19th and early 20th century. Although the colonial authorities attempted to suppress slavery from about 1900, this had very limited success, and after decolonization, slavery continues in many parts of Africa even though being technically illegal.


Where is your rage about this? How about the sex slave trade where millions of children are suffering abuse?

Yet here you are, safely in America...railing about something that most of us find to be trifling and a self-imposed bondage in itself. How many times have you been told that, my friend?

How about doing something useful?

And I am going to break this up in the hope that you will actually engage in discussion. People who talk at people display the fact that they have their minds set and will only focus on part of the issue. That is why we have cults. And the Cult of Political Religion is no different.


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[Darrell C]

As Christians, our central focus is Christ, and keeping Him the focus keeps us from being sidetracked in carnal matters. And when He is the focus, any participation into these matters will be profitable, rather than to perpetuate hatred.

Amazing that when I say these things, they get pushed to the side.

On the contrary, what you are saying is being dealt with, not just by myself, but others here.

You want me to say there is an advantage to being white? Would that make you feel better?

Sorry, I just don't see it. That is because I don't see a difference in people. I don't think whites are smarter, or better. While circumstances impact how we grow up, that doesn't mean we all don't have the same opportunity. I grew up poor, and even now stand as average middle class, maybe lower middle class. Those who do better may have had more opportunity, for as it is said, it takes money to make money, but, we have story after story of poor people growing up to be successful. Black and white.

And you claim to be a Christian, I suppose, so how is it that a Christian can ignore a basic Christian Principle, that Christ is our central focus?

Instead of seeking to bring liberty to any man, your racism shows you have only a desire to profit blacks.

Don't try to push that off as Christianity.

When the wickedness of politics is in the way, the focus will not be on Christ.

I agree, however, what is plain to any who read your posts is that you are very much placing Politics before faith in Christ.

It consumes you. Don't deny it.

How about setting this to the side, just for a little, and engaging in some doctrinal discussion? It's a sincere invitation. I believe firmly that if you can just set your political zeal to the side, engage in doctrinal discussion and debate, you might just allow the Lord to work in your heart.

When the wickedness of racism and racial prejudice are in the way, the focus will not be on Christ.

We see that.

And as the world continues to see this same brand of wickedness coming from the same people who condone this type of wickedness around the globe,

You mean like the black people in Africa who are more guilty of what upsets you than the white people in America?

You don't care about slavery. You only care about penalizing those you feel committed injustice on your people. I can understand that. I myself acknowledge that racism has been and still continues to be a problem in our country, but all races are guilty, not just whites. Even among Hispanics there is racism. One group hates another because they migrate from a different area. The hatred might seem justified due to civil unrest, where one group commits atrocities against another. Someone I worked with, while a child in El Salvador, witnessed one group cut off the head of one of his people. This fellow also hates whites.

But you have a singular focus, which resembles the satanic worldview of radical Islam. The only difference is that Islam's hatred includes all races in America, unless one happens to be Muslim.

You're not going to keep people from racism with a campaign like this. The only way to remove racism from someone's heart is for them to come to an understanding of the bondage of all men. We can stop racism on an individual basis, but it will only be through the power of God.

Not more racist agenda and propaganda.


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[Darrell C]

your focus might be Christ, but it won't be Christ to the folks who don't know Him because they aren't gonna listen to ya.

Agreed. I guess that's why you have refused to answer my previous responses.



This is the thing, my friend...we don't change hearts.

Only God can do that.

A simple truth presented in the Bible, brought to focus in the New Testament is this: men are blind. What they do in their natural state is, well...natural. They are separated from God and in need of enlightenment. That enlightenment does not start with the sins of others, but with the individual. Until one understands the depths of their own depravity, they will never have compassion for the condition/s of others.

When we set our hearts to educate people about anything, one of two will be the power behind those ministries: God, or the individual. If we work in our own understanding and power, we shouldn't expect too much. And if we measure our goals against that which is taught in Scripture, and find that we are lacking justification, we need to examine our hearts.

So I don't expect people to listen to me. Nothing I have to say means very much. But what I do know is that the Lord can use me to speak to other people, and in the midst of that I trust He will do His convicting work.

You want to stop racism and discrimination? Then stop fighting for the side that has led this Nation away from God. And before you say that white Christians had slaves and were racist and are racist, I just ask you...

...what makes you think those people were Christians?

Have you bought into the statistical unrealities of Media knowledge? Is 3/4 of America Christian because they go to Church?

Sorry, no, but Christianity has fruit, and that fruit is not racism, slavery, discrimination. Many atrocities have been committed in the Name of Christ, and the assumption is that Christians perpetrated them. But you show me the Biblical justification for many of these, and I will, doctrinally, show you how there is none.

If you're doctrine will not allow you to be honest and straightforward, you might want to step back and examine your heart.

You can save the manipulation.

Just a straight-forward assessment.

Your doctrine is not Christian. Your campaign is not Christian.

Whether you are or not is not my place to judge, however, I can point out to you that you are wasting valuable time and the fruit of your efforts...

...are satanic.

My doctrine has nothing to do with my skin color.

Can't believe you can say that. If you are black, we can easily understand. If you are white, we can also easily understand. A lot of people feel bad for things that have taken place, but those same people also feel bad for the atrocities and tragedies that other races have suffered, and are still suffering today.

Do you?

Doesn't seem to be the case. You seem only in prospering Black Americans. Where is your compassion for the rest of the slaves that are actually in slavery as you read this?


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[Darrell C]

So your desire to know is just that: your desire. It's as irrelevant on this board as it is on any other.

It would be irrelevant if you displayed a Christian attitude towards man in general.

But you make it relevant.

Is being gay irrelevant for those seeking "equal rights" as gay people?

Are you seriously going to deny the racism that fuels many "equal rights" advocates? Apparently you cannot see your own racism, but it is plain to most here, I would think. Of course, I am sure you would see that as racism itself.

You do not understand you display the same mentality that those who were racist and called themselves Christians in that past displayed. And it all centers on ignorance of the Word of God. Most of us can see all men being made one in Christ as a simplistic concept, and do not get caught up in the political religionism some, like yourself, get caught up in.

And I have to wonder, your hesitance to say plainly if you are black or white, have you bought into the result of racism yourself? Does being black, if you are, make you feel less of a man? It shouldn't. Nor should there be the opposite, lol.

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Just my personal opinion but everyone who displays hatred for others, no matter the reason, whether it is white supremacists or closet black supremacists such as yourself

I almost bit my tongue laughing so hard.

White or black, you are a black supremacist. Anyone striving for a particular race falls into that category.

As a Christian, who is it you're supposed to be glorifying? Who is your, and all man's true enemy?

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...shows that if they had the power they would themselves become slavers. The irony is that they rail against people who closely resemble their hearts.

God bless.

Nice try at allaying the issue of dealing with the wickedness coming out of folks who say they are followers of Jesus.

Not sure how you can say that, I am dealing with the wickedness coming out of you, who say you are a follower of Christ.

Funny how you point the finger at others when you are just as guilty.

I truly suspect that a lot of folks don't follow Him and that's why some of the stuff that's said gets said.

I agree. I think we have to keep in mind that the Lord spoke of the many and the few. Statistics don't agree with that.

That is why it is so important, Zaac, to keep Christ the central focus. Instead of stirring up hatred and controversy and perpetuating race issues, you should be dealing with the true slavery that all men are faced with. Liberate a man from that slavery and then...deal with modern slavery.

But let's not live in the past. Who has kept you down? What has kept you from prospering in this country? Couldn't get a job? Baloney. Those who say they can't find a job usually mean "I can't find a job that I want."

And the source of that mentality is pride. "What? Me...do that?"

Well guess what, many people have had to have jobs they don't like, and most feel they are too good for their own job, and should be paid more.

And that is not a Christian mindset either. It is carnal and satanic, and again displays ignorance of God's Word.

As it stands, white Christians on this board and in churches across the nation are turning the same blind eye to these atrocities and white Christians did during slavery and Jim Crow.

Atrocities.

You live in a fantasy world that refuses to deal with reality. Sorry, that is just my assessment.

If you for one minute think that the discrimination that goes on today is atrocity, and set yourself on a campaign against it, well guess what: you only display a hypocritical and self-serving mentality.

Did you look at the links? Do you really equate the "plight of the black man in America" with the true atrocities being carried out every day, probably on a minute to minute basis?

Again, I invite you to doctrinal discussion, Zaac. Step away from what I see to be chains that have, if you are a Christian, placed you into a slavery that by far outweighs the slavery seen in America, and the repercussions are not just temporal, but eternal. That is not a veiled questioning of your salvation, my friend, it is a reference to those that you might be impacting for Christ which is eternal fruit not to be regretted.

We can be used of God to set men free, and that is the primary concern of the Body of Christ. Not establishing a better life here for ourselves, but seeking to establish an eternal abode for those still enslaved to sin, and the penalty of sin.


God bless.

 

[Zaac]

Sorry, but white folk all over America deal with it, some positively, some negatively.

The same is true of black folk.

Did you read anywhere that I stated ALL white people?

I interact with every race you can name and racism is never a factor, unless it is directed at myself. You see, some of us don't view other people in terms of color, but deal with people from a standpoint that is not new to human history. That is...that people are people. There are good and bad in all races.

And I never stated otherwise that there weren't such people. But THAT is not what's evidenced on this board and throughout many Baptist churches. Because like I said, if this board is a microcosm of the Baptist church, and it is, then the SBC should be ashamed that this is called a Baptist Board.

And if you do not consider my responses, or the responses of your fellow members to be dealing with it, well, continue your campaign for Satan.

I'll continue my campaign against those things that God hates. You and yours can continue your racial prejudice and racism. And I will point it out as such.

Don't fool yourself that Christ has motivated you to this ministry.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that you have the insight to tell me what Christ has motivated me to do.

I've told you before...discrimination is color blind, Zaac.

you haven't told me anything. I'm well aware of what discrimination is. The folks on this board have gotten quite skilled at displaying it.

You think white people are not discriminated against? No different than black people discriminating against black people.

I don't need you to tell me what I think. Like I've said before, if I want to say something, I will.

As to me being white, well, as I have said several times to you (this being the first response I have seen you bother to give), that has not actually profited me as well as you might think. I am actually discriminated by white people in my trade. My company is small, so guess what, I don't receive the privileges that larger companies receive. Is that unfair? Not really, I can understand a company that sells more equipment than mine receiving more attention.

Irrelevant as is the rest of your diatribe.

As for you being black, if you are, has that held you down? Nope.

Irrelevant to anything that I have said.

As I have also said before, your campaign is a self-serving campaign fueled by satanic, not Christ-like desires. If you want to better yourself, read your Bible.

And as I have said before, I'll continue to do the work of Christ to His glory and against that which HE hates. And as long as the ugly head of racial prejudice and racism continues to rear itself on this board, then I will oppose it just as Jesus did, just as MLK Jr did.

Gosh you act like this is the first time that white folks have tried this whole "you're satanic" thing on anyone who has opposed their racism and racial prejudice. They did it with the Jews. They did it with Blacks and Whites during slavery and Jim Crow.

SO like I said, keep repeating the same foolishness of the past. It was wrong then and equally wrong today.

What's worst is I believe you simply feed the anger you have.

ANd like I said, you feel free to feel whatever that spirit in you leads you to feel. But there is such a wisdom that also comes from the devil. Your feelings are bred in a pen of lies so you can give them back to their father.

Who instilled that in you, Zaac? Parents? Grandparents? I have always trained my nieces and nephews that racism is the game of fools. It has no place in the heart of the Christian.

Like I said to another, save the witchcraft.

And that you are a hypocrite with a satanic agenda is evident because you focus on an issue that pales in comparison with what is going on in the world today. Shall we blame white people?

And there the wickedness of your tongue exposes itself in that you think the racism and racial prejudice exhibited by the majority against Blacks that has continued its pattern the last 400 years in the US pales in comparison to what's going on in the world today.

Thus the reason I and many others speak out because those like yourself positioned behind white privilege think it pales in comparison while Black people are being systematically extinguished by your issue that pales in comparison.

You see Black lives really do matter. It may pale to you. But there are those of us who really do believe that Black lives matter because we love our black Brothers and Sisters the same way that Jesus loves them.

So you pursue your unholy allegiance with the one who keeps giving you your lies and I'll continue to do the work of Christ and oppose the wickedness of this board's individuals who continue to banner their racial prejudice and racism.

Consider:

Where is your rage about this? How about the sex slave trade where millions of children are suffering abuse?

The same place yours is about the racial prejudice and racism in Europe.

Yet here you are, safely in America...railing about something that most of us find to be trifling and a self-imposed bondage in itself. How many times have you been told that, my friend?

Yes, white privilege allows you to think that opposing racial prejudice and racism is trifling. It's the same way that Christians during slavery and Jim Crow thought. So come up with some new material because you're not exposing anything I don't already know about you and the ones who speak as you do.

How about doing something useful?

Opposing it is quite useful. You see unlike yourself , I can go anywhere in the world and speak to people about what they see going on in the United States. Because they want to know why Christians continue to let what's happening take place, while never seeming to do anything.

I'll make sure that I add that they think it's a trifling issue to my explanation.

 

[Zaac]

On the contrary, what you are saying is being dealt with, not just by myself, but others here.

You want me to say there is an advantage to being white? Would that make you feel better?

Sorry, I just don't see it.

That's white privilege. No one expects you to see it because white privilege doesn't want to see it.

That is because I don't see a difference in people. I don't think whites are smarter, or better.

I didn't say you did. That's got nothing to do with Whites having a leg up on everyone in these United States just because of their skin color.

While circumstances impact how we grow up, that doesn't mean we all don't have the same opportunity. I grew up poor, and even now stand as average middle class, maybe lower middle class. Those who do better may have had more opportunity, for as it is said, it takes money to make money, but, we have story after story of poor people growing up to be successful. Black and white.

Still irrelevant to the fact that white privilege gave you certain advantages that others don't have.

This country was built for white folks. Everything in it is geared toward the prospering of Whites first. That is neither hyperbole nor opinion, but incontrovertible fact. And the same exists in our law enforcement and can be seen from slave patrols to overseers to the Black Codes to lynching, it is a fact.

And you claim to be a Christian, I suppose, so how is it that a Christian can ignore a basic Christian Principle, that Christ is our central focus?

Tsk tsk tsk. Again, save the devil's lies. My focus is right where it's supposed to be. It's because I love Jesus that I refuse to sit idly by and let folks believe that the brand of racial prejudice and racism spewed from this board in the name of "conservative GOP politics" has ANYTHING to do with Jesus or Baptists.

Because if this mess espoused by the lot of you IS indicative of the Baptist Church, then Baptists need to be put in the same category as Muslims.

Instead of seeking to bring liberty to any man, your racism shows you have only a desire to profit blacks.

Don't try to push that off as Christianity.

Nice try. My efforts show that I oppose the same wickedness that Christ opposes. And if opposing the wickedness of racism and racial prejudice on this board and off profits Blacks, then HALLELUJAH.

I agree, however, what is plain to any who read your posts is that you are very much placing Politics before faith in Christ.

Now THAT is laughable. You just started addressing my posts. I guess somebody must have tagged you because they thought they needed your help. Maybe yall got a little siren that goes off that says "come help us get this one".

But let me suggest that you go back and read my posts from day 1 on here before you make such laughable assertions.

Better yet , just ask some of your "friends" how often I have been assailed for telling them about their obvious placing of politics before Christ. You're funny.

It consumes you. Don't deny it.

Nothing of this world consumes me. I just refuse to let the wickedness of folks who say they are following Christ but whose actions towards others don't show it, interfere with Christians who really are doing God's work of pointing folks to Him.

How about setting this to the side, just for a little, and engaging in some doctrinal discussion? It's a sincere invitation. I believe firmly that if you can just set your political zeal to the side, engage in doctrinal discussion and debate, you might just allow the Lord to work in your heart.

Why? Nobody cares about your doctrine if you can only treat folks who look and believe as you do in a Christ honoring manner.

You mean like the black people in Africa who are more guilty of what upsets you than the white people in America?

I'm in the United States talking about what I and others see taking place in the United States. Catch up.

You don't care about slavery. You only care about penalizing those you feel committed injustice on your people.

My PEOPLE are the Body of Christ. SO don't pretend that you know anything about me that you don't . :laugh:

I can understand that. I myself acknowledge that racism has been and still continues to be a problem in our country, but all races are guilty, not just whites. Even among Hispanics there is racism. One group hates another because they migrate from a different area. The hatred might seem justified due to civil unrest, where one group commits atrocities against another. Someone I worked with, while a child in El Salvador, witnessed one group cut off the head of one of his people. This fellow also hates whites.

Who said otherwise?

But you have a singular focus, which resembles the satanic worldview of radical Islam. The only difference is that Islam's hatred includes all races in America, unless one happens to be Muslim.

Naah. You THINK I have a singular focus. Folks on here said the same thing when Romney was running for President. I can multitask and can call your foolishness foolishness in the Politics section as well as the General Discussions section.

You're not going to keep people from racism with a campaign like this. The only way to remove racism from someone's heart is for them to come to an understanding of the bondage of all men. We can stop racism on an individual basis, but it will only be through the power of God.

Absolutely correct. And just like every other sin, it will never happen when folks don't acknowledge their sin. And it's time for white Christians to acknowledge their sin and stop being puppetted by the white race pimps of FOX News and conservative talk radio.

Not more racist agenda and propaganda.

If you guys keep dishing it out, I'll keep opposing it.

 

[Zaac]

Agreed. I guess that's why you have refused to answer my previous responses.

You can guess whatever you like. It's just something I've never done because it's irrelevant.

This is the thing, my friend...we don't change hearts.

Only God can do that.

My friend, God uses us to deliver His truth that sets men free. If men won't receive anything from you, then the obvious results.

A simple truth presented in the Bible, brought to focus in the New Testament is this: men are blind. What they do in their natural state is, well...natural. They are separated from God and in need of enlightenment. That enlightenment does not start with the sins of others, but with the individual. Until one understands the depths of their own depravity, they will never have compassion for the condition/s of others.

When we set our hearts to educate people about anything, one of two will be the power behind those ministries: God, or the individual. If we work in our own understanding and power, we shouldn't expect too much. And if we measure our goals against that which is taught in Scripture, and find that we are lacking justification, we need to examine our hearts.

So I don't expect people to listen to me. Nothing I have to say means very much. But what I do know is that the Lord can use me to speak to other people, and in the midst of that I trust He will do His convicting work.

A simple truth presented in God's word is that Jesus was always relational. He set about having a meaningful relationship with those others considered the lowlifes and worst of society.

They listened to Him because He treated them like they mattered. Those who banner their racial prejudices and racism don't get that platform, and can take that platform away from anyway that is associated with them.

You want to stop racism and discrimination? Then stop fighting for the side that has led this Nation away from God. And before you say that white Christians had slaves and were racist and are racist, I just ask you...

...what makes you think those people were Christians?

You're confused. I stand behind Jesus and will continue to hold up the blood stained banner of HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS to combat the wickedness that comes from this board.

Have you bought into the statistical unrealities of Media knowledge? Is 3/4 of America Christian because they go to Church?

I don't care about Media knowledge. It has nothing to do with this conversation.

Sorry, no, but Christianity has fruit, and that fruit is not racism, slavery, discrimination. Many atrocities have been committed in the Name of Christ, and the assumption is that Christians perpetrated them. But you show me the Biblical justification for many of these, and I will, doctrinally, show you how there is none.

You're talking about something else now. I'm talking about the racial discrimination and racism coming from this board and those in Baptist churches. It's the same stuff that so-called Christians espoused during slavery and Jim Crow.

So if my assumption is that Christians perpetrated them then, are you saying that the folks perpetrating these things on this board and in Baptists churches today are NOT Christians as you seem to insinuate that those before weren't?

Just a straight-forward assessment.

Your doctrine is not Christian. Your campaign is not Christian.

I follow Christ. I don't follow your doctrine.

Whether you are or not is not my place to judge, however, I can point out to you that you are wasting valuable time and the fruit of your efforts...

...are satanic.

You point out whatever you wish. Again, white folks have done and said the same things in the past to anyone who has opposed the wickedness coming from them. Try something new because I won't stop doing what Jesus Christ Himself demands that I do just because I get called satanic.

Blessed are ye , when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely , for my sake.

So I humbly receive the blessing.

Can't believe you can say that. If you are black, we can easily understand. If you are white, we can also easily understand. A lot of people feel bad for things that have taken place, but those same people also feel bad for the atrocities and tragedies that other races have suffered, and are still suffering today.

You should concern yourself with what YOU have said. Jesus has me in the palm of His hand. I'm good. And you haven't seen anything where I haven't expressed disdain about atrocities and tragedies happening to anyone else.

But perhaps white privilege continues to blind so many because some of you are convinced you're dealing with another "race".

Do you?

Did I say otherwise?

Doesn't seem to be the case. You seem only in prospering Black Americans.

If ti doesn't seem to be the case, why ask the question if you've already got the answer you believe?

Where is your compassion for the rest of the slaves that are actually in slavery as you read this?

I'll deal with their oppressors when Jesus says to. Right now He has me on task in the United States dealing with the wickedness of this board and others in the Baptist Church who DAILY bring reproach to His name.

 

[Zaac]

It would be irrelevant if you displayed a Christian attitude towards man in general.

Again, save the manipulation. It's irrelevant. You might admit you just want to know. But you wanting to know doesn't make it salient to this.

But you make it relevant.

Nope. I said it isn't irrelevant. You're the one continuing to try and make it relevant because it would help your narrative of who you think I am.

Is being gay irrelevant for those seeking "equal rights" as gay people?

We're not talking about gay people.

Are you seriously going to deny the racism that fuels many "equal rights" advocates? Apparently you cannot see your own racism, but it is plain to most here, I would think. Of course, I am sure you would see that as racism itself.

Again save the manipulation. I'm not gonna stop opposing the racism and racial prejudice on this board no matter how many times you or anyone else calls me satanic or a racist.

You do not understand you display the same mentality that those who were racist and called themselves Christians in that past displayed. And it all centers on ignorance of the Word of God. Most of us can see all men being made one in Christ as a simplistic concept, and do not get caught up in the political religionism some, like yourself, get caught up in.

Nice try again. But the same Christian folks who stood idly by and tacitly gave their approval to the racial prejudices and racism of slavery and Jim Crow already tried to flip the switch to allay themselves of the responsibility.

I'm not impressed by your attempt to do the same.

And I have to wonder, your hesitance to say plainly if you are black or white, have you bought into the result of racism yourself? Does being black, if you are, make you feel less of a man? It shouldn't. Nor should there be the opposite, lol.

Again, save the manipulation. You want an answer to a question. Attempting to goad me isn't gonna manipulate me into telling you what you need to know for your narrative.

So stop wasting both of our time.

White or black, you are a black supremacist. Anyone striving for a particular race falls into that category.

I'm a Jesus Christ Supremacist because He reigns supreme. Now if only those blinded by white privilege could get to that point...

As a Christian, who is it you're supposed to be glorifying? Who is your, and all man's true enemy?

Is that rhetorical?

Not sure how you can say that, I am dealing with the wickedness coming out of you, who say you are a follower of Christ.

Funny how you point the finger at others when you are just as guilty.

Really simple. I can take responsibility for mine. You and yours continue to blame everything on the black community and folks who are dead, while never acknowledging that white racial prejudice and racism have contributed and continue to mar the race landscape in this country.

I agree. I think we have to keep in mind that the Lord spoke of the many and the few. Statistics don't agree with that.

That is why it is so important, Zaac, to keep Christ the central focus.

Like I said, go back and read.

Instead of stirring up hatred and controversy and perpetuating race issues,

Man please. Calling folks negroes and never being able to acknowledge that the non-white POV just might have some merit stirs up all the hatred and controversy that's needed.

you should be dealing with the true slavery that all men are faced with. Liberate a man from that slavery and then...deal with modern slavery.

The lot of you claim to know Jesus and to have already been set free. Yet the behavior and attitudes on here and throughout the church are the same that I see and hear from lost people.

But let's not live in the past. Who has kept you down? What has kept you from prospering in this country? Couldn't get a job? Baloney. Those who say they can't find a job usually mean "I can't find a job that I want."

There's plenty of what went on in the past going on right now. That's why I keep tieing slavery, Jim Crow and the present all in together. Different time, same story.

Atrocities.

You live in a fantasy world that refuses to deal with reality. Sorry, that is just my assessment.

You feel free to your assessment. I gave mine of what I see. My assessment just happens to align itself with Blacks and not the folks blinded by white privilege.

If you for one minute think that the discrimination that goes on today is atrocity, and set yourself on a campaign against it, well guess what: you only display a hypocritical and self-serving mentality.

If you say so. But again, you're not doing anything but repeating the same attitude that folks displayed about people opposing racism and racial prejudice during slavery and Jim Crow.

Did you look at the links? Do you really equate the "plight of the black man in America" with the true atrocities being carried out every day, probably on a minute to minute basis?

Yep. It's real easy for white privilege to blind folks to the plight of Blacks because it's been blinding white folks to the plight of Blacks for 400 years.

Again, I invite you to doctrinal discussion, Zaac.

And again, I could care less about your doctrine when your words don't display the love of Christ for what He loves.

Step away from what I see to be chains that have, if you are a Christian, placed you into a slavery that by far outweighs the slavery seen in America, and the repercussions are not just temporal, but eternal. That is not a veiled questioning of your salvation, my friend, it is a reference to those that you might be impacting for Christ which is eternal fruit not to be regretted.

Gosh, nice soliloquy. But God's got this and I'll continue to oppose you or anyone else who displays an air of racism and racial prejudice against his neighbor.

We can be used of God to set men free, and that is the primary concern of the Body of Christ. Not establishing a better life here for ourselves, but seeking to establish an eternal abode for those still enslaved to sin, and the penalty of sin.

Yep. But men are not gonna be set free by those who treat them as less than a dead dog in the street. They aren't gonna listen to you and neither will anyone else around the world who keeps seeing the ATROCITIES perpetrated upon Blacks in the United States by some Whites.

God bless.

God bless.:1_grouphug:

 

[Darrell C]

Originally Posted by Darrell C View Post
Sorry, but white folk all over America deal with it, some positively, some negatively.

The same is true of black folk.

Did you read anywhere that I stated ALL white people?

Oh, so now some white people don't profit from slavery.

Glad to hear you say that, Zaac, it's a point I made in my response to you. Now we're getting somewhere.

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I interact with every race you can name and racism is never a factor, unless it is directed at myself. You see, some of us don't view other people in terms of color, but deal with people from a standpoint that is not new to human history. That is...that people are people. There are good and bad in all races.

And I never stated otherwise that there weren't such people. But THAT is not what's evidenced on this board and throughout many Baptist churches. Because like I said, if this board is a microcosm of the Baptist church, and it is, then the SBC should be ashamed that this is called a Baptist Board.

Show me an example of prejudice or racism from someone on this board.

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And if you do not consider my responses, or the responses of your fellow members to be dealing with it, well, continue your campaign for Satan.

I'll continue my campaign against those things that God hates. You and yours can continue your racial prejudice and racism. And I will point it out as such.

No, you will simply to stew in hatred and spew satanic vitriol.

You bear false witness in charging me with racism. Prejudice? Absolutely. But it has nothing to do with the color of a man's skin, but the condition of his heart.

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Don't fool yourself that Christ has motivated you to this ministry.

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Don't fool yourself into thinking that you have the insight to tell me what Christ has motivated me to do.

I can tell you without question that Christ has not led you to a ministry of hatred and a campaign for social injustice. You can equate yourself with men that fought for civil rights, but you deceive yourself.

What rights do you feel need to be fought for now?

What is holding you back from attaining anything that any white person in this country could? But that's where it gets difficult, because there are whites that will not enjoy privileges that other men have. Even black men.

I don't enjoy the privileges Bill Cosby has. I'm a funny fellow as well as he, so why is it that he has more money than me? Why does Colin Powell have more influence in political arenas?

Yeah, you keep telling yourself Christ is ministering through you. Believe it.

I've told you before...discrimination is color blind, Zaac.

you haven't told me anything. I'm well aware of what discrimination is. The folks on this board have gotten quite skilled at displaying it.

Give me an example of someone discriminating against you here.

Unless you feel, because you're black, that no-one should oppose the nonsense you spew, well, that might explain your campaign, wouldn't it.

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You think white people are not discriminated against? No different than black people discriminating against black people.

I don't need you to tell me what I think. Like I've said before, if I want to say something, I will.

You're right, you clearly let others know what you think, and cannot understand why Christians would reject your doctrine.

There are forums that are better suited for Political Religionists, perhaps you might find you're message better received there.

And are you implying you feel I have tried to silence you? I have responded many times to your posts without response.

Sound like someone who doesn't want to talk with you?

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As to me being white, well, as I have said several times to you (this being the first response I have seen you bother to give), that has not actually profited me as well as you might think. I am actually discriminated by white people in my trade. My company is small, so guess what, I don't receive the privileges that larger companies receive. Is that unfair? Not really, I can understand a company that sells more equipment than mine receiving more attention.

Irrelevant as is the rest of your diatribe.

Great. Ignore what is said.

Everything is irrelevant to you except your cause, right?

That includes Christianity. Only when it can conveniently fit your politics does it come up.

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As for you being black, if you are, has that held you down? Nope.

Irrelevant to anything that I have said.

Answer the question.

As I have also said before, your campaign is a self-serving campaign fueled by satanic, not Christ-like desires. If you want to better yourself, read your Bible.

And as I have said before, I'll continue to do the work of Christ to His glory and against that which HE hates.

The Work of Christ concerns salvation of souls, not reparation for past oppression.

Show me in Scripture your mandate to try to play upon the consciences of Christians?

I will agree that He hates racism, but my friend...you're the racist here. You are the reason why racism continues for some.

And as long as the ugly head of racial prejudice and racism continues to rear itself on this board, then I will oppose it just as Jesus did, just as MLK Jr did.

You suffer delusions of grandeur and diminish the work of men who actually faced oppression.

But if you want to sit around and whine about what you don't have, rather than be grateful for what you do have, that is your choice.

It seems you are looking to the white man, not God, for provision.

Gosh you act like this is the first time that white folks have tried this whole "you're satanic" thing on anyone who has opposed their racism and racial prejudice.

You have yet to show racism or prejudice on the parts of others, and hide your own.

It is satanic, no question. You live in a fantasy where God has led you to wage war on whites for oppression, racism, and prejudice. Guess what, David Koresh and Jim Jones also lived in that fantasy realm of delusion.

They did it with the Jews.

So did Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Medo-Persians, Greeks, and Romans.

And when we compare the events, they pale in comparison to Early American Slavery. That is not to dismiss or justify that slavery, just pointing out that you have better groups to direct this hatred towards.

But perhaps you do. I would not be the least bit surprised, if you were completely honest with yourself, that you do not hold hatred for everyone who is not black.

They did it with Blacks and Whites during slavery and Jim Crow.

They did it in the Salem witch hunts as well. The fact is that people, just as you do, use Religion and Christianity as a justifier fro their agendas.

Again, you stand guilty of that which you rail at others about.


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