Why Calvinism preaches a fraudulent gospel to some of the lost.

[1689Dave]

well no it’s not and you do not understand what biblical works. Hint: it’s not just because you do something. I suggest you study your Bible on this subject.

This is not a rebuttal to my claim. It is a dodge. If your reaction saves you, you save yourself, not Christ. But the truth is only the saved can react in any true sense. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, not the sinful flesh of the unsaved.

 

[Revmitchell]

This is not a rebuttal to my claim. It is a dodge. If your reaction saves you, you save yourself, not Christ. But the truth is only the saved can react in any true sense. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, not the sinful flesh of the unsaved.

Actually yours is a dodge. You’ve only made a claim without substantiating it. Further your personal philosophy on faith is a gnostic error. They, like you, held that anything to do with the flesh was automatically corrupt. Fact is according to scripture faith comes by the word of God. Romans 10:13-17


Biblical works is always a reference to OT law only. It’s not a reference to any and all action taken by man which is another gnostic error. All of the gnostic heresy found in Calvinism especially hyper cal like yourself is a result of Augustine. He came out of Gnosticism and brought much of its influence on him with him.

Anyway nice dodge

 

[1689Dave]

Actually yours is a dodge. You’ve only made a claim without substantiating it. Further your personal philosophy on faith is a gnostic error. They, like you, held that anything to do with the flesh was automatically corrupt. Fact is according to scripture faith comes by the word of God. Romans 10:13-17


Biblical works is always a reference to OT law only. It’s not a reference to any and all action taken by man which is another gnostic error. All of the gnostic heresy found in Calvinism especially hyper cal like yourself is a result of Augustine. He came out of Gnosticism and brought much of its influence on him with him.

Anyway nice dodge

Have you considered John 10 where Jesus tells the Pharisee he did not die for them? And that is why they could not believe?

 

[Revmitchell]

Have you considered John 10 where Jesus tells the Pharisee he did not die for them? And that is why they could not believe?

Except that’s not what it says. Your Augustinian presupposition has blinded you.

 

[1689Dave]

Except that’s not what it says. Your Augustinian presupposition has blinded you.

It says exactly that. But you are not disproving it, just venting your bias. Did Jesus die for those God blinded so they could not believe? It says he shed his blood for the church. Are all ever born the church?

 

[Revmitchell]

It says exactly that. But you are not disproving it, just venting your bias. Did Jesus die for those God blinded so they could not believe? It says he shed his blood for the church. Are all ever born the church?

Your misapplication of the blinded shows your gnostic presupposition. Not everything in the gospels is a reference to everyone else. Much of it only references the Jews

 

[1689Dave]

Your misapplication of the blinded shows your gnostic presupposition. Not everything in the gospels is a reference to everyone else. Much of it only references the Jews

It still says your atonement gospel and theory is bogus.

 

[Revmitchell]

It still says your atonement gospel and theory is bogus.

Oh well …… if you say so.

 

[MB]

Never question the wisdom of God.
The LORD does not fall prey to the thinking of mortals. They are easily swayed by, those of power, reputation, wealth and attractive appearance. The LORD is unaffected by these mortal enticements. That's the idea behing Acts 10:34.

Do you wish to counter Matthew 7:14?
"But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (NIV)

For your information if we do not question God we will never know. The Bible never says we cannot question God.
Unconditional election is still respect of persons.It's Gentile hopeful thinking. There is not one Gentile in scripture that was elected by God Don't you find that curious?
MB

 

[MB]

You respond because you are saved. You are not saved because you respond = you are your own savior, not Christ.

Even believing is work to you. So much knowing and you don't even go to church nor do you understand scripture.You expect us to believe you. Why should anyone believe you?
MB

 

[1689Dave]

Oh well …… if you say so.

“Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” Acts 20:28 (KJV 1900)

“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.” Romans 5:8–10 (KJV 1900)

 

[AustinC]

For your information if we do not question God we will never know. The Bible never says we cannot question God.
Unconditional election is still respect of persons.It's Gentile hopeful thinking. There is not one Gentile in scripture that was elected by God Don't you find that curious?
MB

Job wanted to question God. When God came to Job, God asked all the questions and Job was left to repent.

It seems you cannot allow God the authority to choose as he wills. Instead you judge God and essentially call him a liar and hypocrite if he chooses simply due to your faulty idea of "respecter" of persons.

Finally, you continually assert that no Gentile is elect, despite

 

[Revmitchell]

“Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” Acts 20:28 (KJV 1900)

“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.” Romans 5:8–10 (KJV 1900)

problem is those verses do not say what your gnostic Augustinian presupposition tells you to say.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

For your information if we do not question God we will never know. The Bible never says we cannot question God.

"Who are you, a human being, to talk back to God?" (Ro.9:20a)

 

[1689Dave]

problem is those verses do not say what your gnostic Augustinian presupposition tells you to say.

They say His blood justifies us. Are all justified he supposedly died for?

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Unconditional election is still respect of persons. It's Gentile hopeful thinking. There is not one Gentile in scripture that was elected by God Don't you find that curious?
MB

Are you a Gentile? If you are not a Jew, you are a Gentile. Are you a believer? If you have answered yes to both questions then you are one of the elect of God.

Paul ministered to Gentiles. He said this in 2 Tim. 2:10 "I endure everything for the sake of the elect."
Titus 1:1 "To God's elect."
2 Peter 1:10 "Make every effort to confirm your calling and election."

Peter was writing to Christians living in the northern part of Asia Minor.

If you deny election, you are saying you don't believe God's Word. That's a dangerous spot to be in.

 

[Revmitchell]

They say His blood justifies us. Are all justified he supposedly died for?

No, but now we are going to circle back to choice and the difference between your personal philosophy of works and actual biblical works.

 

[MB]

"Who are you, a human being, to talk back to God?" (Ro.9:20a)

Where have I done what you accuse me of?
MB

 

[1689Dave]

No, but now we are going to circle back to choice and the difference between your personal philosophy of works and actual biblical works.

It says he purchased the church with his own blood. Are all you think he died for in Hell the church?

 

[37818]

So far the false gospel argument against the Calvinist Limited Atonement view has not been refuted in this thread.
Matthew 22:14, "For many are called, but few are chosen." Then there is 1 Timothy 2:5-6, ". . . the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, . . ." That Greek word there translated "ransom" occurs only once, and is singular and means a ransom for each individual of the "for all." 1 Timothy 2:4, ". . . Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." Christ having died for all persons, not just securing salvation for His elect. So it is genuinely offered to everyone.