Why Confession?

[ChristB4Us]

“To the angel of the church in Laodicea write:

These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. 15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked. 18 I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, so you can become rich; and white clothes to wear, so you can cover your shameful nakedness; and salve to put on your eyes, so you can see.

19 Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent. 20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and dine with that person, and they with me.” Revelation 3

These are the Church of lukewarm believers, being told to be “earnest and repent”.

Lukewarmness and dithering in light and dark He hates.

Confession is how born again believers repent, how the Lord rebukes and disciplines us by conscience.

“They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or defends them.“

Confession clears the conscience before God.

Those who sin after being born again must still repent.

“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.“

So we maintain righteousness by confession.

I do not believe that was the offense to God for why they were naked. It was being rich that can lead to a sense of complacency of not needing God for anything and therefore nulling any need for faith in Him.

Proverbs 30:7 Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die: 8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me: 9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

This was why He was teaching saved believers to set their hearts on the treasures above and not on the earth.

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Jesus warned saved believers that when He appears at the pre great tribulation rapture event, that they are not to go back to get anything from their homes as if they can take that "treasure" with them or they risk being left behind & wind up like lot's wife and die.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

I believe that is how that church was naked because they saw their security in money & riches rather than faith in Jesus Christ.

It is not wrong to be rich since there is such a thing as a rich Christian as Paul exhorted them in this manner.

1 Timothy 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; 19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

But if for some reason, a saved believer is led by the Lord to believe that he or she would be tempted to go back to their homes for something valuable to take with them, ( as if the Lord is just going to hang there in the clouds waiting for everybody to get their valuable stuff, not ) then they may need His help to give it up now so they will not have that temptation.

For Catholics we have an Apostolic priesthood Jesus established to forgive or retain sin, the priesthood of the Old Covenant was a foreshadowing of Christ’s priesthood in the New Covenant.

“Just as in the Old Testament the priest makes the leper clean or unclean, so in the New Testament the bishop and presbyter binds or looses not those who are innocent or guilty, but by reason of their office, when they have heard various kinds of sins, they know who is to be bound and who loosed.” Jerome, Commentary on Matthew, 3:16,19 (A.D. 398).

If Peter never established that practice for saved believers to come to him for that, and even the apostle John pointed them to go to Jesus Christ for that in the early church days, why are you sold on that false notion created & imposed by the RCC?

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The priests cannot forgive you of your sins against God. You go to Jesus Christ to confess your sins and ask for forgiveness.

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

If a member sinned against the priest or another member of the body of Christ, then yeah, they should confess their sin they committed against that believer and ask for forgiveness.

No saved believer should be led to believe that they cannot go to Jesus Christ directly to ask for forgiveness of their sins since we are also to go to Him for help daily in resisting sin in our walk with Him in this life since He is in us & with us always.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth...... 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

 

[Cathode]

I do not believe that was the offense to God for why they were naked. It was being rich that can lead to a sense of complacency of not needing God for anything and therefore nulling any need for faith in Him.

Proverbs 30:7 Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die: 8 Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me: 9 Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the Lord? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

This was why He was teaching saved believers to set their hearts on the treasures above and not on the earth.

Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Jesus warned saved believers that when He appears at the pre great tribulation rapture event, that they are not to go back to get anything from their homes as if they can take that "treasure" with them or they risk being left behind & wind up like lot's wife and die.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

I believe that is how that church was naked because they saw their security in money & riches rather than faith in Jesus Christ.

It is not wrong to be rich since there is such a thing as a rich Christian as Paul exhorted them in this manner.

1 Timothy 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; 18 That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; 19 Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.

But if for some reason, a saved believer is led by the Lord to believe that he or she would be tempted to go back to their homes for something valuable to take with them, ( as if the Lord is just going to hang there in the clouds waiting for everybody to get their valuable stuff, not ) then they may need His help to give it up now so they will not have that temptation.

If Peter never established that practice for saved believers to come to him for that, and even the apostle John pointed them to go to Jesus Christ for that in the early church days, why are you sold on that false notion created & imposed by the RCC?

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The priests cannot forgive you of your sins against God. You go to Jesus Christ to confess your sins and ask for forgiveness.

James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

If a member sinned against the priest or another member of the body of Christ, then yeah, they should confess their sin they committed against that believer and ask for forgiveness.

No saved believer should be led to believe that they cannot go to Jesus Christ directly to ask for forgiveness of their sins since we are also to go to Him for help daily in resisting sin in our walk with Him in this life since He is in us & with us always.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth...... 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Paul wasn’t even saved directly by Jesus.

17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength. Acts 9

It is through the agency of the church that Jesus operates.

I wish the scales were removed from your eyes to see and understand this.

The biblical church is not “directly “ to Jesus, it was Apostolic, those sent by Jesus.

The disciples administered the Gospel and forgiveness.

 

[David Lamb]

Paul wasn’t even saved directly by Jesus.

17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength. Acts 9

It is through the agency of the church that Jesus operates.

I wish the scales were removed from your eyes to see and understand this.

The biblical church is not “directly “ to Jesus, it was Apostolic, those sent by Jesus.

The disciples administered the Gospel and forgiveness.

Paul was converted/saved directly by Jesus on the road to Damascus. This showed itself in a radical change in his attitude. "Lord, what do you want me to do?" he asked. Before, he had been "breathing out threats" against all followers of Jesus. Yes, it was through Ananias that his sight was restored, and it was Ananias, who, at God's command, baptized Paul, but Ananias didn't save Paul, directly or indirectly.

 

[Cathode]

Paul was converted/saved directly by Jesus on the road to Damascus. This showed itself in a radical change in his attitude. "Lord, what do you want me to do?" he asked. Before, he had been "breathing out threats" against all followers of Jesus. Yes, it was through Ananias that his sight was restored, and it was Ananias, who, at God's command, baptized Paul, but Ananias didn't save Paul, directly or indirectly.

No, read again.

“has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.“

Jesus saves through the disciples.

“Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized”

“Placing his hands on Saul”

“has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit”

So Ananias healed him of blindness and by baptism filled him with The Holy Spirit.

 

[David Lamb]

No, read again.

“has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.“

Jesus saves through the disciples.

“Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized”

“Placing his hands on Saul”

“has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit”

So Ananias healed him of blindness and by baptism filled him with The Holy Spirit.

True, but was that his conversion? I say no. He was converted on the road to Damascus, showing itself in a changed life, from:

“Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.” (Ac 9:1-2 NKJV)

to:

“So he, trembling and astonished, said, "Lord, what do You want me to do?" Then the Lord [said] to him, "Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."” (Ac 9:6 NKJV)

No human being can convert another human being to Christ, not the apostles, not Ananias, not Billy Graham, nobody. That is Christ's work.

 

[Cathode]

True, but was that his conversion? I say no. He was converted on the road to Damascus, showing itself in a changed life, from:

“Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.” (Ac 9:1-2 NKJV)

to:

“So he, trembling and astonished, said, "Lord, what do You want me to do?" Then the Lord [said] to him, "Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."” (Ac 9:6 NKJV)

No human being can convert another human being to Christ, not the apostles, not Ananias, not Billy Graham, nobody. That is Christ's work.

The Apostles do Christ’s work, in fact we all do as members of the Body of Christ the Church.

Don’t tell me this isn’t the case Dave, I’ve seen it so often in street ministry. I have been sent, and mostly to the hardest last chance cases.
I have healed others as an instrument of Christ, as a steward of His Grace, Love and Mercy.

Grace flows, it is never static. The Grace we receive, we impart to others.

Ananias was sent to heal Saul of his blindness, and fill him with The Holy Spirit.

This he did through the laying on of his hands to heal Saul, and by Baptism Saul was filled with The Holy Spirit. At that point Saul was saved and brought into the Church.

Jesus only stunned and blinded Saul, told him to go to town and wait for further instructions.

It was Ananias that healed Saul and filled him with The Holy Spirit by Baptism as an instrument of Christ.

 

[ChristB4Us]

Paul wasn’t even saved directly by Jesus.

17 Then Ananias went to the house and entered it. Placing his hands on Saul, he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord—Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you were coming here—has sent me so that you may see again and be filled with the Holy Spirit.”18 Immediately, something like scales fell from Saul’s eyes, and he could see again. He got up and was baptized, 19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength. Acts 9

It is through the agency of the church that Jesus operates.

I wish the scales were removed from your eyes to see and understand this.

The biblical church is not “directly “ to Jesus, it was Apostolic, those sent by Jesus.

The disciples administered the Gospel and forgiveness.

You should consider why the Lord sent Ananias and that was to have a witness to Saul's conversion and his call to the ministry since he was practically infamous for having executed Stephen and was on his way to Damascus to do some more.

So Jesus Christ did save Paul. This is the gospel that Paul had preached and so do not misapply that event in Acts.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Now if Paul was saved by any other way than by what he had preached the gospel, then where is it? What Paul had preached is what he personally believed was how he was saved by and that was by faith in Jesus Christ; that by believing in Him is how we are saved.

See any mention by Paul that believers need Ananias or a disciple to lay hands on them to save them? No.

See any mention of a supposed established church of Peter for potential believers to go to and have Peter lay hands on them to be saved? No.

Was Paul being disrespectful to Ananias? No. Was Paul being disrespectful to the church of Peter? It did not exist.

Ananias was called by the Lord to establish the testimony that the Lord was calling that infamous Saul into the ministry.

Jesus Christ saved you the moment you believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead.

Now trust Jesus Christ to be your personal Good Shepherd & Friend to help you to follow Him rather than following the RCC.

 

[Cathode]

You should consider why the Lord sent Ananias and that was to have a witness to Saul's conversion and his call to the ministry since he was practically infamous for having executed Stephen and was on his way to Damascus to do some more.

So Jesus Christ did save Paul. This is the gospel that Paul had preached and so do not misapply that event in Acts.

Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Now if Paul was saved by any other way than by what he had preached the gospel, then where is it? What Paul had preached is what he personally believed was how he was saved by and that was by faith in Jesus Christ; that by believing in Him is how we are saved.

See any mention by Paul that believers need Ananias or a disciple to lay hands on them to save them? No.

See any mention of a supposed established church of Peter for potential believers to go to and have Peter lay hands on them to be saved? No.

Was Paul being disrespectful to Ananias? No. Was Paul being disrespectful to the church of Peter? It did not exist.

Ananias was called by the Lord to establish the testimony that the Lord was calling that infamous Saul into the ministry.

Jesus Christ saved you the moment you believed in the Lord Jesus Christ & that God has raised Him from the dead.

Now trust Jesus Christ to be your personal Good Shepherd & Friend to help you to follow Him rather than following the RCC.

My point is that he wasn’t directly saved, Jesus sends others to minister.

“ he has sent me that you may see again and be filled with The Holy Spirit”

Paul was sent to save as well.

“To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.“

I don’t see why people can’t accept this, it’s pretty basic stuff.

God uses others as His saving instruments, agents, ambassadors.

 

[ChristB4Us]

My point is that he wasn’t directly saved, Jesus sends others to minister.

“ he has sent me that you may see again and be filled with The Holy Spirit”

Paul was sent to save as well.

“To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.“

I don’t see why people can’t accept this, it’s pretty basic stuff.

God uses others as His saving instruments, agents, ambassadors.

But....

The way the RCC presents itself as the church sent for believers to be saved through, they are not being sent per se but deceiving believers to be sent to them.

We do not see that practice nor claim by any of His disciples, let alone Paul, sitting at some solitary place for potential believers to be sent to them to be saved through.

My former church, Covenant United Presbyterian Church, raised funds one special day to send a missionary couple that presented themselves, to Italy to be street evangelists to get the Catholics to go back to the Catholic Churches in Italy. I really think now in looking back, we were scammed as paying for a young couple to vacation in Italy, but apparently there was enough information out there to suggest that there was that need as many Catholics do not attend church in Italy.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

The RCC is presenting themselves as the door to be saved and they do not even enter the door of Jesus Christ to rest in them that they are saved.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

The RCC is presenting themselves as sent to be that door rather than Jesus Christ. They are preaching themselves as the means for believers and potential believers sent to them to be saved.

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Look at how the RCC is behaving like a thief in stealing the joy of believers' salvation by lying about how God will give more grace to do works but Paul rebukes that saying as false in Romans 11:5-6 <--- You can click on scripture to see

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

13 The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.

The Pope nor the Priests are known to go after members of their congregation that no longer attend or visits. The current Pope now tells Catholics to not convert unbelievers but non-Catholic Christians which is going against what the Catholic Catechism says. There are reports from 2 Catholic priests that the Vatican is practicing Satanism in there. Another bishop recently reported that he saw a demon manifesting out of the smoke in the Vatican.

That current Pope is the first "Jesuit" Pope ever and no Catholic seem to have made a protest or a complaint that Catholics can only be Popes and Jesuits the General. This may be the reason why Catholic prophesies says he is the last Pope.

The RCC and thus the Vatican meets all the milestones of that thief that Jesus is talking about in John 10th chapter.

But then again, so does tongues for private users when promoting another calling for potential believers to seek after and that is that baptism with the Holy Ghost that comes with evidence of tongues as following the stranger's voice gained by that "other way instead of preaching Jesus Christ & Him crucified, which Jesus rebukes in Matthew 12:38-40 & Paul in 1 Corinthians 14:20-22

So did Paul ever presented himself as a means for believers to be saved through as if he is a door? No. That is the difference between being sent to preach Jesus Christ & Him crucified from how the RCC claiming to be sent but preaching themselves as the means to be saved through.

 

[Mikoo]

So only you are guided by The Holy Spirit to understand scripture, and the Great Councils and Fathers of the Church are not guided, the ones that determined the Bible in the first place.

God determined His Words are! How arrogant of mortal men! Talk about putting men on a pedestal. SMH

You have placed yourself on the highest pedestal of all, you hold yourself up as an Oracle of God.

LOL. It is the men of the rc denomination who have place themselves on a pedestal (like the mormons). And you fell for it. I believe God's Word when He says that hthe Holy Spirit will draw us to Him. You have been drawn by the rc denomination. Wasn't the Holy Spirit who did that.

 

[Cathode]

LOL. It is the men of the rc denomination who have place themselves on a pedestal (like the mormons). And you fell for it. I believe God's Word when He says that hthe Holy Spirit will draw us to Him. You have been drawn by the rc denomination. Wasn't the Holy Spirit who did that.

Catholics are the actually the humble ones. We don’t subjugate Scripture to our personal opinions, this nullifies the Word of God by misinterpretation.

Catholics maintain the same interpretation and understanding of Scripture that the Apostles handed down.

The mormons are an outgrowth of Protestantism the fruit of Bible alone thinking. Ultimately Bible alone Protestantism lead to the rise of atheism, because when the Word of God is made to mean anything then it comes to mean nothing to countless millions.
Subjective Conflicting interpretations of scripture make it incoherent, nonsensical, and unauthoritive to millions.

Bible alonism nullifies the Word of God.

 

[ChristB4Us]

Catholics are the actually the humble ones. We don’t subjugate Scripture to our personal opinions, this nullifies the Word of God by misinterpretation.

Catholics maintain the same interpretation and understanding of Scripture that the Apostles handed down.

Where in the N.T. did it says to call the bread the Eucharist?

Where in the N.T. did it says to call communion the Mass? Where did they even say to call communion "holy"?

Where in the N.T. did it says that Christ's Presence is in the bread and the wine at the expense of 1 Corinthians 10:14-23?

Where in the N.T. did it says that Jesus Christ is willing to present Himself in the bread and the wine to offer that one time sacrifice for sins to be received "again" to make atonement for sins committed since last Mass at the risk of Hebrews 10:1-31?

Where in the N.T. was Peter called the Pope or the head of the body of Christ?

Where in the N.T' was the church established by Peter in Rome?

Where in the N.T. did it established apostolic succession as taught by the apostles themselves?

If you cannot smell the manure now....then you are subjugated and it will take a miracle from the Lord Jesus Christ to deliver you.

 

[Oseas3]

What? You would have heard the whole bible read to you over 3 years if you showed up to mass each day.
You obviously weren’t an informed Catholic, there is strong encouragement to read scripture as part of your daily prayer life.

Fortunately, he, Mikoo, was free from being indoctrinated by demonic spirits that dominate and guide your Church, Cathod, the demonic Roman Catholic Church. He, Mikoo, new what JESUS said: "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life" , No one comes to the Fasther except through Me". This wonderful words of JESUS deliver and liberate the victims of the satanic Roman Catholic Church.

Because you weren’t informed, it left you vulnerable to human founded interpretations of scripture.
The Bible is the Catholic Churches book, it always has been, long before Protestants or Baptist’s existed. They had nothing to do with the Bible, the Bible came from the Catholic Church, so I only listen to the Catholic Churches interpretation of its book.

In fact Satan uses the Bible in the Roman Catholic Church with her satanic idolatries and witchcraft to rule and guide her followers to the hell's fire.

 

[Cathode]

Where in the N.T. did it says to call the bread the Eucharist?

“And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.” Luke 22:19

Eucharist means “thanksgiving” we get from Scripture when Jesus took bread and gave thanksgiving, and declared the bread His Body.

Where in the N.T. did it says to call communion the Mass?

We don’t call communion Mass, Mass is the term “Go you are sent” at the dismissal which we also get from scripture from Jesus. Having received Jesus we go out to all to bring Jesus to others.

Where did they even say to call communion "holy"?

What makes it Holy is it is Jesus Holy Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity.

Where in the N.T. did it says that Christ's Presence is in the bread and the wine at the expense of 1 Corinthians 10:14-23?

If the Eucharist wasn’t Jesus Himself flesh and Blood, then it isn’t “Communion”. Communion is two becoming One.

“ He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood, abides in me, and I in him “

This is Communion.

Paul draws a comparison between the sacrifices of pagans to demons and what happens at the Christian Eucharistic sacrifice at the Lords Table.
We participate in the body and blood of Christ.

“Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

18 Consider the people of Israel: Do not those who eat the sacrifices participate in the altar? 19 Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. 22 Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?”

These are two opposing sacrifices, we commune with Christ by His Body and Blood, but the pagans commune with demons by their sacrifices.

Where in the N.T. did it says that Jesus Christ is willing to present Himself in the bread and the wine to offer that one time sacrifice for sins to be received "again" to make atonement for sins committed since last Mass at the risk of Hebrews 10:1-31?

That’s right. Just as there is only One Passover where all Israel past and present are gathered. This is what they mean by remembrance.
The One Sacrifice being made, it is shared out down the ages, Jesus Body and Blood given to us at Communion to give us life, and Resurrection to our bodies.

“ He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood, has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. “

Where in the N.T. was Peter called the Pope or the head of the body of Christ?

Peter was head of the Apostles. He is mentioned more than any other Apostle in scripture, but also in context of what he actually did and how the Lord interacted with him.
Peter was mouthpiece of God The Father when Jesus changed his name from Simon to Peter, built His Church on him, Jesus spoke first person singular to Peter when declaring this directly to Peter alone.
When God changed a persons name in the Old Testament, he granted authority by it.
It was Peter guided directly by heaven to bring the Gentiles into the Church.

The instances when Jesus tells Peter to strengthen his brother Apostles, to feed His sheep, we see a combined function and Authority invested in Peter by Jesus.

Where in the N.T' was the church established by Peter in Rome?

“It is said that Peter's first epistle, in which he makes mention of Mark, was composed at Rome itself; and that he himself indicates this, referring to the city figuratively as Babylon.”Eusebius Pamphilius, in The Chronicle, A.D. 303

The Jews and Early Christians referred to pagan Rome as Babylon. Just like some culty nuttiness refers to Christian Rome today as Babylon

All the early Christians and most modern Bible scholars know that Peter was referring to Rome.
You can also visit Peter and Paul’s burial places in Rome today.

Paul was beheaded in Rome and Peter crucified in Rome under Nero. The Early Christians attest to it.

“I do not, as Peter and Paul, issue commandments unto you.” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Romans, 4 (c. A.D. 110).

‘You have thus by such an admonition bound together the plantings of Peter and Paul at Rome and Corinth.” Dionysius of Corinth, Epistle to Pope Soter, fragment in Eusebius’ Church History, II:25 (c. A.D. 178).

“Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:1:1 (c. A.D. 180).

“As Peter had preached the Word publicly at Rome, and declared the Gospel by the Spirit, many who were present requested that Mark, who had followed him for a long time and remembered his sayings, should write them out.” Clement of Alexandria, fragment in Eusebius Church History, VI:14,6 (A.D. 190)

“It is, therefore, recorded that Paul was beheaded in Rome itself, and that Peter likewise was crucified under Nero. This account of Peter and Paul is substantiated by the fact that their names are preserved in the cemeteries of that place even to the present day. It is confirmed likewise by Caius, a member of the Church, who arose under Zephyrinus, bishop of Rome. He, in a published disputation with Proclus, the leader of the Phrygian heresy, speaks as follows concerning the places where the sacred corpses of the aforesaid apostles are laid: ‘But I can show the trophies of the apostles. For if you will go to the Vatican or to the Ostian way, you will find the trophies of those who laid the foundations of this church.'” Gaius, fragment in Eusebius’ Church History, 2:25 (A.D. 198).

“[W]hat utterance also the Romans give, so very near (to the apostles), to whom Peter and Paul conjointly bequeathed the gospel even sealed with their own blood.” Tertullian, Against Marcion, 4:5 (inter A.D. 207-212).

 

[Cathode]

Saint Paul’s tomb in Rome.

Saint Peters tomb under the High Altar of Saint Peter’s Basilica. You are Peter and on this Rock I will build my Church.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Why Confession?

To get and keep an inside track on everyone`s most intimate and stratigic personal, family, interpersonal, and business secrets, to leverage them in blackmail, and keep your foot down on their neck, to control them, not excluding their woman`s bodies.

Hello, it's The RCC, after all.

How much money do you think you could pull together, if you had to?

Well, then, let's have all of it, for starters.

 

[Cathode]

Why Confession?

To get and keep an inside track on everyone`s most intimate and stratigic personal, family, interpersonal, and business secrets, to leverage them in blackmail, and keep your foot down on their neck, to control them, not excluding their woman`s bodies.

Hello, it's The RCC, after all.

How much money do you think you could pull together, if you had to?

Well, then, let's have all of it, for starters.

Prejudice and ignorance are such happy shipmates, prejudice hoists sail and ignorance steers the way.

 

[Oseas3]

Eucharist means “thanksgiving” we get from Scripture when Jesus took bread and gave thanksgiving, and declared the bread His Body.
We don’t call communion Mass, Mass is the term “Go you are sent” at the dismissal which we also get from scripture from Jesus. Having received Jesus we go out to all to bring Jesus to others.
If the Eucharist wasn’t Jesus Himself flesh and Blood, then it isn’t “Communion”. Communion is two becoming One.
This is Communion.
Paul draws a comparison between the sacrifices of pagans to demons and what happens at the Christian Eucharistic sacrifice at the Lords Table.

@Cathode, unfortunately you believe in lies and speak like Peter Apostle-Matthew 16:22-23, and mainly like your father-the old Serpent also called the Devil and Satan-Revelation 12:9, so you sound like him, cynic, hipocryte, disguised, stealthy, at last like all demons.
Eucharist made by the Roman Catholic Church is a witchcraft, a sorcery, a celebration of idolaters cult of demons. Every religious ceremony performed by the idolater RCC such like Eucharist, it is a disguised imitation, a sorcery, it is a celebration made by unclean spirits like frogs, celebrated by a SATANIC TRINITY, i.e. THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS, spirits of demons which make miracles as is preached by the demonic Church, the Apostate Church of Rome, the Roman Catholic Church, which rides upon the GENTILIC Beast of Rome, having 7 heads and 10 horns, and upon his horns 10 crowns, and upon his 7 heads the name of blasphemy, something similar to the body of the red Dragon-Revelation 12:3-4, take a look.

Both the Papacy and the red Dragon are one body, take a look, and one spirit, spirit of Devil, and unclean spirits like frogs.

Get out of there @Cathode. Escape out of there for your life, otherwise you will go to hell's fire with the main partner of the red Dragon, the Papacy, and CURSED by my Lord JESUS, this I tell you this with absolute certainty.

The Eucharist celebrated by demons is a source of disease, serious illness, and death, and all sorts of misfortunes and disgraces that happen in peoples followers of the RCC, the Devil's main partner
around the world.

Eucharist celebrated by the Great Whore, the Roman Catholic Church has nothing to do with the Spirit of GOD the Father, nor of JESUS, nor of the Holy Spirit, but has to do with unclean spirits like frogs, spirit of Devil, the father of lie. Eucharist made by the Roman Catholic Church is cult of demons, a witchcraft, a sorcery, a celebration in idolater cults celebrated by demons.

@Cathode, take a look, and Get out of there;
By the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD from everlasting to everlasting, GOD Himself, self-executing, and He shows there is great difference between the Church of Rome founded by Apostle Paul, developed by the Holy Spirit, i.e. by the Spirit of GOD, and the subsequent/ posterior APOSTATE and CORRUPT Church of Rome that was developed by the spirit of Devil, through Ministers of Satan possessed by UNCLEAN SPIRITS LIKE FROGS, according to the 2Corinthians 11:13-15(57AD) and 1John 2:18-19(85AD) and Revelation 16:13-14(95AD), take a look.

Get out of there @Cathode

 

[Oseas3]

Prejudice and ignorance are such happy shipmates, prejudice hoists sail and ignorance steers the way.

You were evasive in your reply because against facts there are no arguments, do you understand @Cathode? You believe in demonic lies preached in the apostate and demonic Roman Catholic Church by a satanic trinity, @Cathode;
Then you are speaking like the Devil, because you have received from his demonic spirit, cynic, and hypocrite, and disguised, stealthy, among countless other demonic spirits like frogs.

I do not know if you sleep in sepulchres, but you speak like the possessed man of Gadarah, if not it can happen from now on.

Be careful or else get ready

 

[Oseas3]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - PUT THIS IN YOUR MIND ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - THE RED SEA AND THE RED DRAGON ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I believe you know that the Hebrews had to cross the Red Sea, and walk through a desert, walk until they got to the Promised Land after 40 years of peregrination / pilgrimage. What about GOD's people now or in this current time?

Now GOD's people will have to go through (I mean win a war) against the Red Dragon, that's exactly it, a Red Dragon yes- Revelation 12.,

Similarity between passing by the Red Sea and by the Red Dragon | Pure Bible Forum (and see www.sinaiticus.net )

 

[Cathode]

You were evasive in your reply because against facts there are no arguments, do you understand @Cathode? You believe in demonic lies preached in the apostate and demonic Roman Catholic Church by a satanic trinity, @Cathode;
Then you are speaking like the Devil, because you have received from his demonic spirit, cynic, and hypocrite, and disguised, stealthy, among countless other demonic spirits like frogs.

I do not know if you sleep in sepulchres, but you speak like the possessed man of Gadarah, if not it can happen from now on.

Be careful or else get ready

You go too far. The Holy Spirit governs the Catholic Church, you commit blasphemy of The Holy Spirit making these accusations.