Why is all Israel not Israel???

Thanks for the tips.
I just hit the "Quote" button on the bottom right and type my response below the html.

 

Why? Is your basement flooded?

Just kidding, I know what you meant...

 

1. Jesus was referring to Himself as the presence of the Kingdom within their midst. What is wrong with this reading?

2. It is similar to what He said to a group of Pharisees on another occasion (Matt 12:28). He cast out demons by the Spirit of God, therefore the Kingdom was in their midst. But the fundamental quesition to be asked Is How was the Kingdom in their midst?

3. I propose that it was in their midst in the ministry of Jesus.

 

You can do whatever you want with the "quote" button.
It works everytime, no matter how you want to slice and dice someone's post.
I think it would remove some of the formatting issues that your posts frequently exhibit.

 

Apology accepted.

Congrats on hitting 10K posts.

And I'd say your disagreement is still with Lockman Foundation, as TCGreek was also quoting the NASB.

My personal suggestion on the best rendering of Lk. 17:21 is... Sorry, gotta' run.

My bride needs me to help her catch the cat! :laugh:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/877560/cat_wakes_up_owner/

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Ed

 

1. According to Edersheim and many others, the kingdom of God was understood by the Jews as the rule of God. That they could have seen in the midst of them in the ministry of Jesus.

2. With the ministry of Jesus is the beginning of the end, the now-not-yet kingdom.

3. You are talking about a translation of within you. What about among you?

4. Was the kingdom of God in the midst of the Pharisees when He said what He said in Matt 12:28?

 

In Jews' mind of kingdom, they want their Messiah to take over Roman Empire and rule over the world as Jerusalem as world's capitol. In their mind that they are expecting Messiah shall set the kingdom upn earth as literal physical and political rule.

Jesus told them, it is not come with observation, it is within them, it is speak of spiritual come from heaven.

Premills believe Christ shall bring the kingdom to Jerusaslem, and will set it as world's capitol for a thousand years.

But, Christ already bring kingdom to the world 2000 years ago. Itself is a good news talk about Jesus Christ, calvary, resurrection, salvation, and reign.

Christ already given the kingdom to the Church by the Holy Spirit on Pentacost Day of Acts chapter 2. Itself is a gospel that the Church received the power from Christ - Matt. 16:18-19.

Premill believes kingdom will be presence to the world from Jerusalem in physical for 1000 years.

But, Dan. 7:14,18, and 27 telling us, the saints(Christians) already receive the kingdom of God and they already possess it, it is an everlasting kingdom, not temporary, so called, "millennial kingdom", as premills named it.

We have to accept the fact what Christ said to the Pharisees that, itself not come with observation, it is come within us from above is spiritual and eternality kingdom. It is mystery, but we have faith what the Bible saying. We as Christians already received the power given by Holy Spirit to preach the gospel to the world of what? Kingdom. Kingdom is all about Jesus Christ.

Notice two words of 'kingdom' - King + dom. dom is short word for 'dominion' means sovereign or reign.

Christ already sit on the right hand of God the Father in heaven since his resurrection, Christ is already exalted by God the Father to made Him a King over heaven and earth 2000 yeasr ago. We do not need wait for Jesus to 'become' King. He is now already King. We have the right to worshipping Christ, because He is our King. He is now reigning both heaven and earth from his throne.

When He shall come again, his reign never stop, He will continue reigning forever and ever without end. Kingdom have no end, it is everlasting.

That what the kingdom is all about.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

1. That is not necessarily the case, for on Pentecost Peter pointed to what the people could hear and see as the result of the indwelling Spirit (Acts 2:33). Here the people were able to see what was in the inside.

2. Neither does it make sense for the Kingdom to be in some blood-thirsty Pharisees---rather, the kingdom was in their midst in the ministry of Jesus.

3. I see you make no attempts to deal with my arguments from Matt 12:28.

 

1. But that is not what the text is saying. Read it again!

2. Reread Luke 17:20, 21 and you will see that Jesus was counterarguing their views about their concept of the kingdom--they didn't have to look for what was already in their midst.

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3. BBob, Why are you ignoring what the Bible says--Jesus cast out demons; the Pharisees who witnessed what He was doing, said it was because the prince of the demons--Jesus said it was due to the Spirit (v.28) and the kingdom presence in His ministry--What in the house are you talking about?

 

1. I do not understand what you're saying here.

2. For me to say that must be a mistake. Where did I say bases on Luke 17:21 that the Kingdom was within us--Jesus was addressing some Pharisees, not believers.

3. What is your point? Are you representing what I have said correctly?

4. What does that have to do with the text?

 

In the words of the late President Harry S. Truman:

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Ed