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Scarlett O.

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Now, here's my response to female pastors.

I believe that pastors of Christian churches should be men. Why? The Bible teaches that. I say, go with what the Bible teaches.

My only issue is with both men and women who believe and teach that women are "too" ..... well, too anything ..... too carnal, too weak, too stupid, too unlearned, easily deceived [while men are not], or too unworthy to preach.

Don't tell me that there are not both men and women who believe and teach that. I've heard it scores of times.

I KNOW women who can teach like you've never heard and having heard that am convinced that they could preach WELL.

However, God said not to do it that way, so I believe we should follow what the Bible says.

I just get frustrated when women are discounted and blamed for not being called to preach.

And it truly gets old here at the Baptist Board and I've been here 20 years that we NEVER, EVER discuss men. It's ALWAYS women - what they wear, what they say, if they work outside the home, if they are not married, and how their roles as Christians, spouses, and human beings in general are oh so limited.

This topic has been discussed 100's of times here.

NO women preachers!! It's an abomination!!!

But we NEVER discuss male pastors and their roles and what they should and should not be doing.

Oh, it get's so old.
 
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ntchristian

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Scarlett O. said:
Now, here's my response to female pastors.

I believe that pastors of Christian churches should be men. Why? The Bible teaches that. I say, go with what the Bible teaches.

My only issue is with both men and women who believe and teach that women are "too" ..... well, too anything ..... too carnal, too weak, too stupid, too unlearned, easily deceived [while men are not], or too unworthy to preach.

Don't tell me that there are not both men and women who believe and teach that. I've heard it scores of times.

I KNOW women who can teach like you've never heard and having heard that am convinced that they could preach WELL.

However, God said not to do it that way, so I believe we should follow what the Bible says.

I just get frustrated when women are discounted and blamed for not being called to preach.

And it truly gets old here at the Baptist Board and I've been here 20 years that we NEVER, EVER discuss men. It's ALWAYS women - what they wear, what they say, if they work outside the home, if they are not married, and how their roles as Christians, spouses, and human beings in general are oh so limited.

This topic has been discussed 100's of times here.

NO women preachers!! It's an abomination!!!

But we NEVER discuss male pastors and their roles and what they should and should not be doing.

Oh, it get's so old.
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Yes, I can see how it would.
 
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My best teachers growing up were women. Out of curiosity, I just looked up what percentage of teachers in the U.S. are female and the number is 76%. For most of us, our nurturing is done by women (our mothers). If preaching is instructing and pastoring is nurturing, what's the big deal?

It is only a big deal if there is something more to the actual office described in the New Testament. If this is the case, then the Catholics and Orthodox are on to something. If not, then who cares?

It reminds me of another thread where people were arguing about whether one should be baptized with sprinkling or total immersion. Unless you believe baptism actually does something, then arguing over the volume of water and how it’s applied is moot!
 
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Campion said:
My best teachers growing up were women. Out of curiosity, I just looked up what percentage of teachers in the U.S. are female and the number is 76%. For most of us, our nurturing is done by women (our mothers). If preaching is instructing and pastoring is nurturing, what's the big deal?

It is only a big deal if there is something more to the actual office described in the New Testament. If this is the case, then the Catholics and Orthodox are on to something. If not, then who cares?

It reminds me of another thread where people were arguing about whether one should be baptized with sprinkling or total immersion. Unless you believe baptism actually does something, then arguing over the volume of water and how it’s applied is moot!
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May I ask, what denomination are you?
 
Reynolds

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ntchristian said:
Having been Orthodox, I understand the position on banning women pastors. Orthodox view it from both scripture and tradition. However, since leaving Orthodoxy, I have come to believe that on this issue, as well as others, the context of Paul's statements must be taken into account.
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Read it in the ESV and the context becomes unmistakable.
 
Reynolds

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ntchristian said:
Not to me. Also, why ban women from being pastors but not make them wear head coverings?
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MacArthur dealt with that in detail. You probably didn't listen to him. Would clear up a lot for you.
That one is simple. Amazingly simple.
 
SavedByGrace

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Duckie said:
Right, but because I agree with verses you posted are direct and to the point, but I have learned overtime everyone will either say the same thing or pick it apart.

So just offering a different perspective, the obedience to God's natural order, and with respect to that order on the woman's part tends to be submission.

Even if you aren't going to submit to a husband, you will still have to submit to God and be obedient to the Word.

That same quietness and character precious in the sight of God in 1 Peter 3, in my opinion, is not limited to married women. It may be addressing wives specifically, but it brings up the character of a Godly woman.

Many women will study to have the character of the Proverbs 31 woman to prepare them for marriage while praying for a husband, but few will look to the example of Sarah.

"A wife of noble character who can find? She is worth far more than rubies."

Most of you seem to be men. Who of you would find a wife but go without bothering to acknowledge her character? The same example shown by Sarah should be built up in her first.
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Hi, thanks, you do make some very good points, and quite right that the husband-wife relationship is important, as Pastors are meant to be married, etc
 
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MacArthur also denied the eternal sonship of Jesus Christ and instead taught "incarnational sonship", which is just Arianism under a different name. What should anyone put any stock in what he says?
 
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SavedByGrace

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Campion said:
MacArthur also denied the eternal sonship of Jesus Christ and instead taught "incarnational sonship", which Arianism under a different name. What should anyone put any stock in what he says?
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get your facts right. JM USED to deny the eternal sonship of Jesus Christ, which he changed on. I believe that it is Biblcially FALSE to teach this!
 
SavedByGrace

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Campion said:
My best teachers growing up were women. Out of curiosity, I just looked up what percentage of teachers in the U.S. are female and the number is 76%. For most of us, our nurturing is done by women (our mothers). If preaching is instructing and pastoring is nurturing, what's the big deal?

It is only a big deal if there is something more to the actual office described in the New Testament. If this is the case, then the Catholics and Orthodox are on to something. If not, then who cares?

It reminds me of another thread where people were arguing about whether one should be baptized with sprinkling or total immersion. Unless you believe baptism actually does something, then arguing over the volume of water and how it’s applied is moot!
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We are here interested in whether women can be Pastors in a Church, and really don't give a HOOT what this GODLESS world does or says!!! :eek:
 
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SavedByGrace said:
get your facts right. JM USED to deny the eternal sonship of Jesus Christ, which he changed on. I believe that it is Biblcially FALSE to teach this!
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"MacArthur also DENIED..."

Denied = past tense

If he can change his mind on the very essence of who God is, I wonder if he will change his mind on this?
 
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SavedByGrace said:
We are here interested in whether women can be Pastors in a Church, and really don't give a HOOT what this GODLESS world does or says!!! :eek:
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Did you have a mother growing up? How about a female teacher?

Again, unless the office described in the New Testament is something deeper than just teaching and nurturing, then what's the big deal? Who cares?
 
canadyjd

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ntchristian said:
Thank you for your reasoned reply. However, what about the verse that says that in Christ Jesus there is neither male nor female? Doesn't that undo the consequences of the fall?
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No, the context of Paul’s statement “…there is neither male or female, slave or free, Jew or Gentile….” concerns salvation by faith in Jesus.

Jewish men, traditionally, believed women and Gentiles were inferior in the eyes of God. Paul was correcting that bias. All mankind stands equally at the foot of the cross and may come to Christ by His grace.

When it comes to leadership in the church, Paul is clear that God has called for male leadership, prohibiting women from serving in positions of authority over men. That has nothing to do with the perceived “worth” of anyone, rather that God has ordained a specific order for His fellowship of believers.

In the end, it won’t matter what position we held in the church, but rather, we’re we faithful to the ministry God has called us to.

peace to you
 
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