just How Do the DoG Provide "sinner an excuse?"

Of course the ones in verse 12 had received it. It's a contrast. That's the point.

 

You are deliberately adding to the Scriptures and changing what the Bible says, all to make it fit into your "Calvinistic thought-box."
1. Acts 17:30 says nothing about being regenerated. It says that all men everywhere must repent, not be regenerated. Don't add to the Word things that are not there.
2. In the above paragraph you have simply put forth a typical Calvinistic syllogism which is no where found in Acts 17:30. In fact the teaching of Acts 17:30 clearly contradicts your thoughts given in the above paragraph. You have a choice set before you. You can either believe the "thought box" of Calvinism or the truths set forth in the Bible as summarized in Acts 17:30. These are the truths that the Bible teaches; that the Apostles taught; that the ECF taught.[/QUOTE]

DHK
Looks like this is another of your errors that you cannot come to grips with.
You cannot even read my post correctly.....you must twist it...that is sad.

This is the fourth time you have done this....that is habitual with you. If you cannot understand my original post,or this one....how can i answer?
Your lack of understanding and overwork of Acts 17;30 is pathetic;

It is dealing with one thing....God has commanded all men everywhere to repent.

you say falsely;

Who says???....You! All men are responsible to repent..period I answered this before...you make as if I did not.

I changed nothing....I will remind you lying and bearing false witness is a sin!

This lying is juvenile on your part! what is wrong with you?
I posted this earlier very clearly;

and again here;

 

No, the point is that Gal 3:2 and Eph 1:13 prove that a natural man can hear the gospel and believe it, and when they do, they AFTERWARD receive the Spirit. That is why Paul asked, "Have ye received the Holy Ghost SINCE ye believed?"
(Acts 19:2)

So, these "things of God" or "things of the Spirit" in 1 Cor 2 that cannot be received by the natural man cannot be the gospel.

 

Furthermore, Paul's question to disciples of John the Baptist in Act 19:2 proves natural man can believe. They had heard the preaching of John and believed it. But they had not received the Holy Ghost, they did not even know of the Holy Ghost. Yet they had BELIEVED. So, natural men have the ability to believe.

It was when Paul preached Jesus to them and they again believed that they received the Spirit.

There are numerous examples in the scriptures that prove faith precedes regeneration. There are exactly ZERO verses that say a man must be first regenerated to have the ability to believe. You cannot show even one verse to support this unscriptural doctrine of Calvinism.

 

I don't see how Eph. 1:13 proves your point. The verse does not put chronological order on things. Rather it emphasizes logical order through cause/effect. Just wondering about your thoughts.

 

You said that they were regenerate/born again, but did not enter heaven. Where did they go?

Did I say this? No!! So again the false teacher Jbh28 has put his false words in my mouth.

Pay no attention to this false teacher who has no regard for the truth. And do not believe for a minute it was an innocent mistake,
for another tool in their tool kit of deception is to pretend to need the obvious explained. Twaddle.

 

The defense of false doctrine requires, strawman arguments, misrepresentation, name calling, and anything else to derail the discussion. Rather than discuss what the Bible says, they want to discuss what this theologian or that person said. Time and again, they derail threads.

The topic of this thread is: If a person can only choose death, how can they be punished for doing the only things God has given them the ability to do? On the other hand, if as the Bible says, God sets before us the choice of life or death, then we can be punished for not choosing life.

But instead of this discussion, we have 17 pages of name calling, evasion, misrepresentation and the like. And the beat goes on.

 

His sheep

I am thinking outside of the box myself. I believe there is His sheep and not His sheep. His sheep are being lead by the master to life eternal, but not His sheep are being lead by goats to destruction.

I am sorry i think this way, but if there are those who are His sheep than there has to be one's who are not His sheep right? Who are they? Do i have to believe that those who are not His sheep is goats?

Men use to use goats to lead sheep to slaughter in some country they still might.

 

Could you just answer the question instead of thinking I'm trying to put "false words" in your mouth? I'm trying to figure out how you are using the story. Again, I'm not saying you are saying anything, I'm asking a question. So you say "no" good, please explain. Thanks,

no reason to have this type of post. Person attacks are not allowed. Just answer the question.

 

name calling...like calling me a false teacher?
I'm not trying to put words in your mouth nor misrepresent you. I have no reason to do that to someone else.

 

I'm not sure what I've said, but he seems to not be in a very good mood. Either that or he realizes his illustration isn't valid. I wanted to clarify some things with it, but I guess he thought I was trying to put words in his mouth. I don't do things like that. I figure if one is wrong, I can use their own words.

 

Let's look at this one more time.
God commands all men everywhere to repent.
Before sheep were saved they were unregenerated like the rest of the world. They were, as you say, "lost sheep." Through the preaching of the Word they were drawn to Jesus.

But the command is for all men everywhere to repent.
What about the unregenerate that remain unregenerate?

What you don't mention is that the "lost sheep" were given "faith" to believe, and then they had the ability to believe and become sheep. But that is not what the command infers. The command negates that belief.

The command states: God commands all men everywhere to repent.
That command infers that the unregenerate must already have the ability to believe. God does not give commands that cannot be obeyed. The Calvinist believes that faith comes only after regeneration. Acts 17:30 requires faith to repent. One cannot repent without faith. Faith is needed. This is where Calvinism falls apart.

Secondly the command is given to the totally depraved. A totally depraved person is commanded to repent. He is not regenerated first. He first must repent. Then he may become regenerated. Faith comes first; it always comes first. He needs the faith in order to repent. Calvinism has it backwards. Thus Acts 17:30 defeats many of the premises of Calvinism. Faith comes first, as does repentance.

 

As I have been stating over and over again, your blind presuppositions cause you to deny the truths so clearly presented in Acts 17:30.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Acts 17:30)

You may as well cut the verse out of your Bible.

 

The one flaw in your statement:
God commands ALL to repent, Gospel message to ALL, Just those who freely chose God will repent and believe Christ as Lord.

That is what the verse teaches.

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: (Acts 17:30)

It speaks of men repenting; men choosing God; not the other way around.
Why do you twist what the Scripture says? Are you now going to cut it out of your Bible?