Lordship Salvation volume 2

So why do you continue to revise scripture even though you have been shown the truth. You are treading on dangerous ground.

Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

 

you are correct in that, just was stating that intial faith in jesus is a one time act, a definite point in time, and as a direct result of new life in Christ..

"easy grace" is the Lord saving us, while "lordship" is us growing and maturing up in Him, being confirmed into image of Christ...

NOT either/or, its both!

 

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Hank, you must be either a pastor or a teacher, perhaps you are the biblical mandate of the pastor/teacher. Blessings

 

And then what? He will remain Lord whether he sins or not. Nothing he does after that will dethrone Christ from being Lord. LS theology at this point is absurd thinking that anything we do can bring Christ off of his throne!!

 

I disagree. It is a simple message. If it wasn't, few would be saved. I wouldn't be saved. It is very simply stated in 1Cor.15:1-4 as the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In essence you are stating that one has to become a theologian before they can be saved. Few would ever be saved if that were the case. A one to one simple presentation is enough to lead one to Christ. After that they can be discipled, learning more about "atonement," "justification," etc., terms I never understood until over two years after I was saved.

 

What one does afterward proves whether one has been regenerated. That is truth no matter what you or anyone else teaches to the contrary.

LS theology doesn't teach anything we do can "bring" Jesus off His throne. That's ridiculous and a misrepresentation of others.

 

Not really.
"The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked; who can know it."
Certainly not you. God alone knows the heart. Beware of putting yourself in the place of God. Herein is the fallacy of LS advocates. They place themselves in God's position. Who are they to judge the heart of man? If a person has trusted Christ as the Savior we take them at their word. God knows the rest. Lordship is the same as discipleship. Did you forsake all that you had, give to the poor, and then follow Jesus, the day you got saved?

 

There are plenty of Scriptures about evidence of salvation. Living in sin isn't one of them.

Beware of putting my self in the place of God? More prattle from you.

But go ahead, preach the practicing sinners into heaven.

Paul didn't. Peter didn't. Jude didn't. John didn't. You do.

Perhaps since you preach against them it's you putting yourself in the stead of God? I'd say certainly!

BTW, you're the one judging the heart of man, stating they can live in sin by implication, yet be saved because they did your easy-believism course. As if you know their hearts? You don't. But one thing is certain, there are fruits of the Spirit and of the flesh. And those sowing to the flesh (that you defend as saved) won't reap eternal life. Why? Because they're lost, no matter how many times you lead them to recite the sinners prayer.

Me? I believe the Word is clear on this, if that angers you and causes you to say I am being God, well, I really just couldn't care any less what you think.

There are passages of Scripture showing what evidence of salvation is. Go read them.

By the way, giving to the poor, and giving up all I had is a works based salvation the way you put it and shows how much you truly misunderstand. You misunderstand Christ here. Again.

 

I think that both you and Dhk are right in your viewpoints on this topic, its just addressing 2 seperate aspects of it!

Like paul and james complimenting each others views...

Dhk is correct ewhen he says that its by faith and grace ALONE one is saved, as that moment in time we will become saved by act/will of God, will become new creatures in Christ, completely/fully justified..."free grace"

After receiving jesus, we will be growing up in Him, becoming more like Him, working out all that salvation has changed within us, will have a life reflecting to some degree jesus changed our lives, progressive sauctification"Lordship"

 

I believe we are saved by grace and faith alone. But faith isn't dead. What says the Lord to those who call Him "Lord, Lord" yet work iniquity (live in sin)? That He never knew them. What does DHK teach? That they did know Him. This is error.

DHK teaches that a person can practice sin and stil get to heaven. That's incorrect. There are pasages that teach evidence of salvation.

We aren't talking two separate issues.

 

Jesus said;
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:

So just watch the persons deeds and you will know their heart.
No one gets saved by takig Jesuse as savior. If He is not received as Lord they do not get saved.

 

Quote me where I said that, otherwise stop the slander.

 

You didn't answer my question P4T

 

I think we have a difference of understanding in what "living in sin" is. Blowing it is one thing, which we all do, yes.

The believer lives a lifestyle of repentance, he sins, repents, is cleansed and this is a cycle.

 

No need to answer you on that when you only know what Jesus said, not what He meant.

 

He meant what he said. This is one of the verses that both Washer and MacArthur use for Lordship Salvation; not one I would ever use. So either you advocate their position and obey the verse, or you take my position and believe that sanctification is a life long process which happens after a person is initially saved by faith.

 

"He meant what He said", and Washer and Piper use this to prove "He meant what He said" for LS, yet in doing so, by believing what He said, they're wrong?

I'll await proof they've somehow misused this text, while at the same time, you use it as yourself in the same wat you say they do, yet your allowed to and they aren't? Correct?

You're talking out both sides of your mouth. You also misunderstand Jesus here, and Piper and Washer.

Both of these men are godly men.

 

Your basic premise is:
They are godly men.
Because they are godly men they understand the scripture and must be right on the scriptures.

I pity you if that is your position. You follow the teachings of men and not of God. "Godly" men can be wrong. Many are. The Scriptures are our final authority, not men.