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What part of: If your knowledge was perfect and you could not be mistaken, then whether or not you intervened, I would still have to do as your foreknowledge said because you are perfect." did you not read!!!!!

 

Hi Winman;

God's did not change His contingent plan, if they had not repented, Nineveh would have been overturned, but since they did, He carried out the relenting contingency.

God told David what would happen, and that intervention in the affairs of men fulfilled God's plan for David. God did not lie, but simply told David what Saul would do given those circumstances, but then David changed the circumstances. This is completely consistent with my view.

God's foretold plan was for Christ to be killed and God caused those prophecied events to occur according to His predetermined plan and foreknowledge, Acts 2:23.

No, no, no!!!! Did you read the passage? God hid the truth from them according to His predetermined plan.

Did you read Habakkuk? God uses evil people for God's purpose, but they are already astray. You have avoided saying you agree with this and keep posting nonsense that God did not cause Judas to betray or the Jews to help put Christ to death. Pure fiction.

 

This is your statement: "If God can only foretell that which he has determined and predestined," This statement implies that you are addressing my position, but I had already posted that God knows the hearts of people and can say what they will do given a circumstance, whether or not He causes that circumstance to occur. Thus you were arguing against a strawman, and not against my view.

See post #71, which quoted your post #62.

 

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These !!! are an effort to have you start responding to my views.

No one said God's foreknowledge of contingent actions defaults to determinism. But I God knows something is going to come to pass and that event is not contingent, it is determined or else God would be mistaken, and God makes no errors.

If you view of foreknowledge is God knows all the contingencies but does not know what will actually occur, then fine. The view is not biblical, but it does not create a incomprehensible paradox.

As far as scripture for God determining that Adam would sin, no plan of God can be thwarted, and God chose His Redeemer before creation, therefore logical necessity says God planned for the contingency that Adam would fall. And God provided the opportunity for Adam to Fall. So in my view Adam's fall was part of the plan, but God allowed and did not predestine His fall. God is not the author of sin.

 

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If God knows what we will choose, and this knowledge is not contingent, i.e. will probable choose unless we change our minds, then we must choose that alternative because of God's perfection. If we change our minds and do something else, and His knowledge of our choice was not contingent, then He would be wrong, and that dog will not hunt.

 

Folks, it does not matter how many times they run that Yugo up the hill, it is going to stall out and slide into oblivion. If God knows with certainty what we will do before we do it, our action is predestined by God's perfection. If God knows what we would probably choose, and then causes us to be put into that circumstance without a change in our heart's desires, then that action is predestined. Just like when Jesus told Peter he would deny Him.

Here are the facts. God fulfills prophecy, He declares the end from the beginning, then makes that end occur. Not one person on this thread as clearly indicated that they agree, and cited a passage which supports it. So much for the bible study effort on my part.

 

Hi 12 Strings, both of your views are utterly bogus. Have you answered my question, how does God fulfill prophecy. I do not think anyone has, but if you have please give me the post address.

This thread is not for the purpose of finding out what I think, but what scripture says. But unless someone actually refers to scripture, not much can be accomplished.

 

God hates lies.

My view has been laid out in detail, but you have failed to answer my question, and so you charge me with yet another false charge.

Here is my view:

God fulfills prophecy, he declares the end from the beginning then causes it to occur.

You are apparently unwilling to say whether this is scriptural or not.

 

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I answered that question twice!!!!!!!

How does God fulfill prophecy. Anybody?

Has anyone reread Habakkuk? The level of knowledge concerning this topic is amazing.

 

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More misrepresentation of my position. I am beginning to suspect a pre-qualification for Calvinism is the inability to read.

Did J.B answer my question or just deflection with a false charge. That is all they have folks, no ability to study scripture and post what it says. How does God fulfill prophecy seems so easy, even a cave-man could do it, but for sure no Calvinist-man is willing to do it.