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The scripture speaks of spirits, then immediately talks about people. The scripture does not mention angels.

 

In 1Pet.3:19 there is a mention of spirits of in prison. in verse 18 there is a mention of the resurrection. The connection is what Jesus did just before He arose from the dead. Those who died in Christ went to Heaven and those who died without Christ or belief in Jehovah went to Hell. The Bible is consistent about that. Show me where the Bible ever deviates from that. But these are spirits in prison, the same spirits spoken of in Jude 1:6 and 2Pet.2:4. How do you account for the teaching in these other two verses?

 

Of course there is mention of spirits! There is NO mention of fallen angels! The scripture talks about spirits then immediately starts talking about people who disobeyed!

1 Peter 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

 

If those spirits in a prison were not fallen angels, described in the first few verses of Genesis 6 then who do you suppose they were?
Are there two ways to be saved?
Is there a Moriah way of salvation, and then the Biblical way of salvation through Christ?
The only way of salvation that I know of is through Christ. All those before Christ were saved the same way: faith alone in Jehovah: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Ruth, and all the OT saints--they were all saved the same way. They went to paradise like the thief on the cross did, like Lazarus did. They all went to paradise, not prison. No saint ever went to prison. Prove that they did. Prove that there is a second way to heaven, that there is more than one way to heaven.

 

Oh my. oh my.....I love your reasoning....you cannot find any positive teaching on the matter so your reasoning is that is no one argued against it it must be OK!

 

How could those who have died long ago be saved by Christ or condemned for rejecting Christ if they never heard of Jesus?

Would you like to try to explain how Jesus filled the whole universe if he did not descend to the spirits of people who died long ago?

Ephesians 4:10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)

You just will not accept God's Word.

IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT BELIEVING AND OBEYING.

 

Where did I ever say saints went to prison? You cannot win an argument so just make things up that I did not say.

 

First, no verse in Ephesians has anything to do with the times of Noah.
Secondly, it says that spirits are in prison in verse 19.
Third, it says that those spirits were there in the times of Noah.

What happened in the times of Noah?
Noah and his family were saved, sometime after the flood they died, and went to paradise.
The rest of the world perished in the flood. They disobeyed God, rejected God, and went to HELL, not a prison, but hell. For them there will be a resurrection and they will stand before God, even as the residents of Sodom and Gomorrah will stand before God at the Great White Throne Judgement in their resurrected bodies. As it will be for Sodom, so it will be for those that perished in the Flood. For now they are all in Hell.

Who then is in this "prison."
They are the "sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6, or fallen angels. Fallen angels are also "spirits." They are elsewhere called "evil spirits." Sometimes "demons." Or even "a spirit." But they are spirits. These are the spirits that are in prison, and they are there for the great iniquity that they did, mentioned in the context of the passage in verse 20.

Since they were in heaven before they fell, they knew all about Jesus and his plan of salvation. They knew "the Lamb slain before the foundation of the world." They lived in "timeless" eternity. They met Christ, and rebelled against him.

 

The scripture in Ephesians is about Jesus ascending.

The Bible says “prison.”

The scripture said it is to those who have “died,” angels do not die. It is not about fallen angels as you constantly keep saying.

 

So what?

That is different than hell.

It doesn't say anything about anyone dying. That is where you are mistaken.
Look at the passage:
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
--This is the gospel message. The last part "but 'made alive' by the Spirit.

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
--He preached to the "spirits" in "prison."
These are spirits. There is nothing said about death. They are in prison, not hell. There is nothing said about people.

20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
--Who was "sometime disobedient" It was the fallen angels who rebelled against God in Genesis 6 during the time of Noah, while Noah was building his ark. How do we know? Do we have other Scripture to corroborate this?

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
--This is the same situation. Fallen angels that sinned. When? During the time of Noah. Where are they now? In a prison, delivered into chains of darkness. It is the same picture of a prison. They are kept there until the Great White throne Judgment. Note, they are fallen angels, spirits.

And again,
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
--The same picture as 2Pet.2:4,5 and as 1Pet.3:18,20. All three pictures give a picture of the same thing. They are fallen angels, spirits in prison awaiting their final sentence at the Great White Throne Judgment.

In 1Pet.3:19,20 it says nothing about any salvation message being preached. There wasn't. It was either judgment reinforced or victory being proclaimed (which the word "preach" means). It would be natural for Christ to proclaim his victory to the fallen angels, the followers of Satan, for there on the cross he conquered Satan once and for all. Satan has been defeated. We have the victory in Christ.

 

The scripture in Ephesians is about Jesus ascending, and you say so what. You want to teach like Kenneth Copeland, and the like ministries, that Jesus bothered to ascend to say to Satan and his angels I won, or something to that affect is non biblical.

Why would Jesus tell the angels and Satan anything?

I was pointing out that the scripture said “prison” and that you said “hell.” Why do you not post with the quotes being able to take us back to the original quotes of mine? You are making it hard for others to see what exactly was said and why.

Those scriptures say nothing about fallen angels, or demons. The word spirit is not used for fallen angels or demons. Not only that, why would Jesus preach to demons? Demons do not have a chance at salvation.

The scripture says hell. You are the one arguing that they are different places.

Then where are the spirits of people who disobeyed long ago? lol

Read this next scripture.

2 Peter 2:9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.

So, DHK, the unrighteous people are held for the day of judgment, and where might that be if not in hell or prison?

You see, your insistence that Jesus did not preach to the spirits of people but only to Satan and his demons is ILLOGICAL.

 

The prison referred to might be a specific part of hell. It is figurative language as we know that any spirit does not have a physical body. Please realize that. But in the passages that mention hell, they are described as a prison--in everlasting chains of darkness. Remember the chains that Paul had in Acts 16 before the Philippian jailor was saved. The picture given is of a spiritual prison. And it is in all three passages that I quoted for you.

First, I did not say he was preaching to Satan, for the Bible says specifically that Satan walks about this world as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.
Second, I want you to read through the Book of Revelation and get a good idea of how many angels there are in heaven now!
Now when Satan (as Lucifer) fell, he took one third of the angels with him. Therefore there are many fallen angels. Those fallen angels that follow Satan on this earth right now, we call demons. There is much demonic activity in the world today.

Back in the days of Noah what happened:
Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
--The "sons of God" were fallen angelic beings that had taken human form, and taken wives or committed immorality with the "daughters of men", something that God did not approve of.

What does it say:
Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
--God's longsuffering was over. "My spirit shall not always strive with men, for that he also is flesh. And then he said that his days shall be 120 years in comparison to the previous 900 plus. The Flood was about to come.

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
--Man would be destroyed. His spirit would go to hell.

Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
--But Noah and his family were saved.

There is no reason to believe that Noah's extended family, other relatives, etc. would have inherited a special place in hell, a prison, in chains of darkness waiting the coming judgment, as it is described. This is not the description of the spirits of men.
1Pet.3:19 and Jude 6, etc. describe these fallen angels, also called "spirits" who had precipitated the Flood. God's longsuffering was over. His judgement would now be poured out on the earth. It was the last straw.

Study angeology. Both man and angels are spirit-beings. We are presently clothed with an earthly body and sometime in the future we will have a celestial body, an immortal body. Angels are spirits all the time unless they are allowed a body by God, such as when an angel, like Gabriel who appeared to: Daniel, Zacharias, and to Mary.

Make no mistake; fallen angels are spirits. Demons are spirits. Jesus cast out many evil spirits out of people, healing them.

The text simply says that Jesus preached to the spirits in prison.
or "Jesus proclaimed unto the spirits in prison."
What did he preach or proclaim? It does not say. It was not the gospel.
No doubt it was a proclamation of his victory over Satan.

 

The Bible speaks of humans having spirits, and the spirits of humans living outside of its physical body.

The Bible speaks of humans going to prison.

The Bible speaks of humans being held until the Day of Judgment.

You try to discount that Jesus preached to the spirits of people. You try to discount that the scriptures are speaking of when Jesus was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago. This was after Jesus was put to death in his body. See 1 Peter 3:18-19.

There is NO reason to believe Jesus preached to the demons!

You claim Jesus went to demons to tell them he had victory over Satan. You give no scriptural explanation as to why Jesus would go to prison to tell the demons he has victory over Satan. Show me one scripture that says that anywhere.

 

Yes, your correct, it does.

Only in a physical sense as Paul and Silas did, never in a spiritual sense.

The Bible leaves no one out of the Day of Judgment, absolutely no one. There is even a day of judgment for angels. All shall be judged. "The beast and the false prophet shall be cast into the Lake of Fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Rev.20:10).
--No one escapes God's judgment.

Your interpretation. Where outside of 1Peter 3:19 do you get this idea?

These were spirits in prison. Not the spirits of people but of fallen angels described in the days of Noah, in Genesis 6:1-3. What would give you any other idea?

He proclaimed his victory over Satan, which happened at the cross.

I did. You refuse it. Show me one Scripture that those in that prison are the spirits of people, and why they specifically would be kept in chains of everlasting darkness in a special prison in hell, when others in hell are not described that way? What explanation do you have for that? And why would Jesus go to them, and not all the other OT wicked that have died and perhaps much more wicked than they.

Psalms 109:1 [SIZE=-1]A Psalm by David.[/SIZE]
God of my praise, don't remain silent,
2 For they have opened the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of deceit against me. They have spoken to me with a lying tongue.
3 They have also surrounded me with words of hatred, And fought against me without a cause.
4 In return for my love, they are my adversaries; But I am in prayer.
5 They have rewarded me evil for good, And hatred for my love.
6 Set a wicked man over him. Let an adversary stand at his right hand.
7 When he is judged, let him come forth guilty. Let his prayer be turned into sin.
8 Let his days be few. Let another take his office.
9 Let his children be fatherless, And his wife a widow.
10 Let his children be wandering beggars. Let them be sought from their ruins.
11 Let the creditor seize all that he has. Let strangers plunder the fruit of his labor.
12 Let there be none to extend kindness to him, Neither let there be any to have pity on his fatherless children.
13 Let his posterity be cut off. In the generation following let their name be blotted out.
14 Let the iniquity of his fathers be remembered by Yahweh. Don't let the sin of his mother be blotted out.
15 Let them be before Yahweh continually, That he may cut off the memory of them from the earth;
16 Because he didn't remember to show kindness, But persecuted the poor and needy man, The broken in heart, to kill them.
17 Yes, he loved cursing, and it came to him. He didn't delight in blessing, and it was far from him.
18 He clothed himself also with cursing as with his garment. It came into his inward parts like water, Like oil into his bones.
19 Let it be to him as the clothing with which he covers himself, For the belt that is always around him.
20 This is the reward of my adversaries from Yahweh, Of those who speak evil against my soul.

David didn't have a lot of good to say about his enemies did he. Why weren't these ones put in that prison? Why not the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, or Capernaum? No, it was reserved for the fallen spirits in the time of Noah, as the Scriptures say:

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

 

Is your memory so short? I gave you the scripture a couple of times already. Here it is again.

2 Peter 2:9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.

Where do you think these spirits are being held? lol

Where ever in the Bible are demons preached to by anyone? lol

 

The Godly are the Godly. The reference is to Lot, not a spirit. As the Lord delivered Lot, a just man, he is able to deliver you, or any other believer out of a time of testing (see also 1Cor.19:13). It is not speaking of spirits.

What spirit? Why are you referring to Lot as a spirit?
2 Peter 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
CONTEXT! CONTEXT! CONTEXT!

Every time they are given a command!

Acts 16:16 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:
Acts 16:18 And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.

Luke 8:2 And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils,

 

Lol…the scripture says the UNRIGHTEOUS are held for the day of judgment while continuing in their punishment. Read 2 Peter 2:9 again. What do you think happens to the spirits of the unrighteous? Go on and try to explain where the spirits of the unrighteous go. Explain again why the demons would need Jesus to preach to them and not the spirit of people.

It is such nonsense for you to teach that Jesus preached to the demons, and then you try to use scripture to support this farce. Why would Jesus preach to demons? Do you think the demons will benefit from the gospel?

 

jesus preached the proclamation that he was the risen Lord, Death and hades had no hold over Him!

Sinners that pass away go to hell, as awaiting their final judgement before Great white Thrown, and banishment into the Eternal lake of Fire....

 

Show one scripture that says Jesus preached the gospel to demons. Show scripture for your beliefs, or stop teaching them as if it was scripture.

 

NEVER stated he preached the Gospel to them, for he announced to them their certain doom due to his resurrection!