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Do mary or the saints do ANYTHING for you that jesus and the Holy Spirit are unable to do?

Di they need "help" in their work on our behalf?

 

Clearly you don't know what the Stations of the Cross are. They are dipiction of all the events during the passion which lead to the Cross. Each picture or sculpture recognizes each part of that journey and each representation leads us to meditated on that specific aspect of Christ Passion. Which takes us to the Crucifixion. Which is supposed to inspire sorrow for our sins and and the wonder and Majesty of Christ laying down his life that we might be saved. So when we bow after a meditation at each station it is honor that is given God for what he did.

 

Yes and God spoke the universe into existance. God is a spirit therefore the what is of the Spirit is reality and material is a wisp of smoke in comparison. Therefore when God said Let there be light and there was light so it is when Jesus says this is my body, so it is.

 

Does your pastor do anything for you that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are unable to do? Then stop asking him to pray for you that just idolatry.

 

You divide the two natures of Christ - simple Nestorianism.

WM

 

Sorry that I haven't read this thread before asking, but please tell me where or which is the 'first station'?

 

Beg to differ; it says Melchisedec had no mother, a clear inference to The Son BEFORE his incarnation. It does not speak of the incarnated “Jesus Christ, born of Mary".

"No genealogy" explains how it can be said that Melchisedec had no mother; it does not mean though that Melchisedec was a self-existent and no born of a woman human being. No one knew his genealogy and therefore only he was reckoned as a priest without a mother. Moses too was a priest without the necessary genealogical qualification and therefore AS A PRIEST—in fact as the high priest of Israel—, had no mother.

It’s like in my language we speak of an 'onegte kind' -- an 'unreal child' -- the child is deemed as without father or mother having been born 'extra marital'.

The Son of Man of course had a mother, the sinner-woman Mary of Josef. That is what the Christian Church’s Confession of Faith says and means. The Roman Catholic 'church' is heretical in this regard [as in virtually everything they believe and do through worship].

 

Actually Westiminsterman, a couple of flaws in Eliyahu's attempt to debate on the subject. And certainly shows several heretical perspectives.

He starts off with a sound premise. But then he starts to show his inadiquate view of the Trinity and the Hypostatic Union when he says

Clearly indicating That Eliyahu adheres to the Sabellianism heresy. The heresy that makes the Trinity after a modalistic model. By his statement above its clear that he views the Trinity one person wearing 3 different hats. Which becomes more evident when he says.

He then confuses the fact that if Mary was the Mother of the Creator does not indeed equal Mary creating the creator. Rather her role was as a created being who mothered the Creator. Nor does he understand that people can be honored by whom they are related to. Thus it is right to honor the mother of Jesus if Jesus is respected by us. But if we do not value Jesus Neither would we value his mother. We can see his confusion here.

After this he then confuses primary role with indirect role.

He then makes a falacious logical jump from first equating the Trinity with a modalistic view to ever virgin! Not knowing "ever virgin" doesn't come from Trinitarian Dogma rather out of her role as the ark of the New Covenant. And it relation to bearing Jesus very person within her womb. Were we are all agreed that her virginity remained in tact all the way to the birth of Christ. The question is after birth. However, its clear you cannot make a logical jump from Mary Mothering Christ to ever virgin. You must then go from Mother of Christ to Covenant theology to role as ark, to respect for God which hand could not touch the ark, to Joseph's being a faithful man's respect for Mary's role as bearing the very Jesus himself in her womb. We see no consept of Covenant theology in his argument thus his jump is illogical. It is also illogical to assume that Mary as the ark for Jesus Christ is some how now equal to the father as indicated in his illogical statement.

it being clear the Catholic Church has never taught this equality to the Father. He then tries to seperate Jesus' Hypostatic Union much like Nestorious. Nor does he see the danger going the other way with the Monophysites.

 

How can the "two natures of Christ", be "divided" if they are TWO already?

It is a fallacy Jesus had 'two natures'; He had ONE 'nature' because He was totally good and righteous while being human in ONE Person of the Godhead—like and which He will stay forever after having "come" from the dead "in the flesh", VICTOR, CHRIST AND LORD.

 

As does the bible though, for God the Son existed eternally, and that aspect of Jesus was conceived in mary by the Third person of the trinity!

mary gave 'birth" to jesus Humanity period, as His God nature has no beginningtime!

 

he does NOTHING though for me on a merit or Grace basis, unlike mary and the catholic saints, who disperse towards us their 'spiritual blessings!"

Again, there is NO account of people interceding to god on behalf of the living, its just catholic man made dogma!

 

They are not divided. It is the heretics who must by necessity seperate Jesus into God and Man, lest their "Jesus had no Mother" position fall apart.
WM

 

Then you should never pray for anyone as to do so is to intercede on their "account".

WM

 

The first station is "Jesus is condemned to die" in front of Pontius Pilate.

 

A Christophony?

 

What are you talking about? I don't think you know.

 

I must ask where's the RCC honor for Joseph and Jesus brothers and sisters then?

 

again, there are NO scriptures to support praying to the dead!

And there are NO merits to be gained from mary or peter/paul intercedingif they could, which they don't , as jesus is ONLY intermediator god appointed for that role!

 

And how do you know there are no merits to be gained - are you God? Isn't that the real problem here? You and others here think you've got the whole thing nailed down - that you have the mind of God all to yourself. When in reallity you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

WM

 

How rude! :thumbs: