The pharisees thought Jesus was rude and insulting too. Nuff said.
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Rome's Mary on the Cross and God's Throne
- Thread starter Gregory Perry Sr.
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The pharisees thought Jesus was rude and insulting too. Nuff said.
Isn't this Worship of Mary?
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/crown.htm
http://www.maryqueenofheaven.net/index.htm
The Divine Eternal Mary
http://www.mother-god.com/divine-mary.html
Is Mary Mother God?
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WestminsterMan
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If you want to bash the RCC, then use the Catechism and don't waste everyone's time with totally false trash. I could post all sorts of links to the Westboro Baptists with the implication that you who call yourself a Baptist must hold to what they believe. Honestly... how childish would that be? Answer? Just go back and review what you've done here.
Now - if you meant to ask is Mary the Mother of God, then the aswer is:
YES!
1) Mary was the mother of Jesus
2) Jesus was both fully God AND fully man - the inseparable hypostatic union - both natures existing at the same time
3) Thus, Mary IS the Mother of God!
If you believe that Jesus was both FULLY God and FULLY man, then you have no other recourse but to hold that Mary is the Mother of God. For 2,000 years the Church has taught this - 1,500 years before Protestants were even conceived of.
God set it up that way. Mary was chosen as the immaculate conception. She was visited by an angel and she acquiesced to this. Thus, if you believe scripture, you MUST believe that Mary is the Mother of God. Unless of course you are part of the ongoing heresy of those who believe that Mary only birthed the human component of Jesus. If that's the case, well...then I will pray for you.
WM
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WestminsterMan
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The very name Christian means to be "little Christs." You are small but you are not like Christ.
WM
I never said I was like Christ. Although I very much strive to be. I was simply trying to say that sometimes, as Jesus did, saying things people don't like to hear, is necessary. Pointing out the heresies of the RCC, which send MILLIONS of people to an eternity in hell, is not something that can always be discussed easily. I'm not going to apologize for it.
......and you can deny it all you want....twist word meanings all you want......but what the RCC does IS Mary worship.
BTW...........love your signature line from your profile:
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If with me you don't agree, you're committing blasphemy."
^^^ Pot meet kettle. :tongue3:
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Are you saying that BEFORE Jesus was born He wasn't God? Because if He was God before He was born (and He WAS), and before Mary was even born (and He WAS), she cannot be the "mother of God".
Nor is she "Queen of Heaven", "Co-Mediatrix", "Co-Redeemer", or any of the other heretical "Co" titles the RCC gives her.
WestminsterMan
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Well... I can turn this around on you. You can shout that the RCC promotes Mary worship all you want, but...
And that tactic accomplishes what exactly? Not one single thing - except the advertising of a very childish individual.
That went right over your head didn't it. Thanks for proving my thesis.
Look... when you have something inellectually honest to contribute, I'll be here. Until then, you warrant nothing further. I will pray for you though.
WM
Update! Baptist4Life is now on my ignore list. Just FYI...
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If it's to Mary, don't bother. She can't hear you anyway.
Why is posting pictures of what RC's are doing, childish?
Explain to me how this isn't worship..............
I don't see JESUS in ANY of those pictures. Why is that?
Exodus 20
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
A Heretic Comedy by Human Syllogism of Roman Catholic!
1. Jesus is God, Mary is Mother of Jesus
Therefore Mary is Mother of God.
2. Holy spirit is God, Mary is Mother of God
Therefore Mary is Mother of Holy Spirit
3. God the Father is God Mary is Mother of God.
Therefore Mary is Mother of God the Father
4. Jesus was in the womb of Mary
Holy Spirit was not away from Jesus when He was in Mary’s womb.
Therefore Holy Spirit was carried by Mary.
5. Jesus was in the womb of Mary
God the Father was not away from Jesus when He was in Mary’s womb.
Therefore God the Father was in the womb of Mary.
6. Therefore from the above,
Mary was the Mother of God the Father, Mother of God the Son, Mother of God the Holy Spirit.
7. Jesus is Creator
Mary is the Mother of Jesus
Mary is the Mother of Creator of the whole Universe.
8. We have to respect Mother.
Mary is Mother of our God.
We have to respect Mary as Mother of God.
9. The Salvation was made possible just because Mary obeyed God.
Without Mary, there could be no Salvation possible.
Therefore we have to believe that Mary was the Co-Redeemer!
10. Ever-Virgin Mary, Perpetual Virgin Mary, Life time virgin Mary,
So loved the world, that she gave her only begotten Son that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
If anyone denies any of the above mentioned Faith Statements, that person is Heretic! Anathema !
-- A Heretic Comedy by Human Syllogism - by Roman Catholic!
This is why Heb 7:2-3 rejects that Son of God has Mother.
The 2 verses say both Melchisedec and Son of God
1) King of Righteousness
2) King of Peace
3) No Father (earthly)
4) No Mother
5) No genealogy
6)No beginning
7) No ending
8) Living forever
9) Priest
Son of God had no mother! This is how the Bible writer sees the role of Mary.
Human Syllogism doesn’t work in explaining God’s Deity and Godhead.
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1. Was Mary the Mother of God the Son before the Creation of the World when Jesus Created the world?
2. Was Mary the Mother of God the Son when Moses work for Christ ( Heb 11:26)?
3. Was Mary the Mother of God the Son anytime before the birth of Mary?
4. Did Mary give birth to the Deity of Jesus Christ?
Was the Divine nature of Jesus born by Mary?
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If it's to Mary, don't bother. She can't hear you anyway.
Why is posting pictures of what RC's are doing, childish?
Explain to me how this isn't worship..............
I don't see JESUS in ANY of those pictures. Why is that?
I don't see JESUS in ANY of those pictures. Why is that?
Excellent Point! Though it would be nonsense eve if Jesus is shown there.
Mother of God is carried by human beings!
Our God, Our Lord Jesus is not carrried by human beings, but will carry them either to the Heaven or to the Lake of Fire! Especially He will carry away the Mary worshippers into the Lake of Fire!
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:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Didn't have any answers for my posts, so.......just don't read them...............yea, that'll work!
Careful.......WestMinsterMan will put you on ignore too! :thumbs:
Thinkingstuff
Active Member
No, but he is affirming he is God before he was born.
That logic doesn't follow. Let me explain because this was the issue in the 4th and 5th Centuries when the term Theotokos was determined to be the Orthodox view. Jesus is God who created Mary. Correct? When the Holy Spirit concieved Jesus in Mary's womb did Jesus cease to be God? No. Did the Holy Spirit Concieve (just) a man who was later "possessed" by Jesus' Divinity? No. So at all points in the incarnation Jesus is God. Thus Mary did not give birth to just a man because Jesus ceased to be God. And Mary did not give birth to Just a man that latter became possessed by divinity. No she gave birth to the person Jesus Christ who is God from eternity. This doctrine never indicates that Mary "created God".
She could only not be Queen of Heaven if Jesus is not King of Heaven. By relationship she certainly is the Queen Mother. And by adoption we too are royaly.
Certainly Mary doesn't play the role of Mediator that Jesus does. However, she is "Co" in the fact that it was by her throw whom God came into the world. She was a willing participant in the conseption of Jesus Christ. The only way to exclude her willing participation in the incarnation is to have Jesus just appear rather than being born.
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by being a willing participant in the incarnation she is by default a participant in Redemption. She herself doesn't redeem us. But she was the vessel by which the incarnation occured. And in any case this isn't a dogmatic term for Catholics. The term is actually co-redemptrix which points to her indirect roll in the redemption process.
Thinkingstuff
Active Member
I don't see Jesus in my wedding pictures either. Your point? BTW I know a picture speak a thousand words but often what is not in pictures that is key. All cerimonies I have been in there is always a crucifix somewhere. Never have I seen a picture or statue of Mary without some referrence to Jesus Christ. Also, I wonder if its idolatry to lift up bride and groom in chairs during a Jewish wedding? Maybe I should throw out all the pictures of my family that must be idolatry! I though you were baptist or are you Amish? Just curious.
To the eyes of the Goddess Worshippers and Idol Worshippers!
If there are wedding pictures and pictures of my family on the wall of my house, I look on them and remember my family.
That is unlike the stations of the cross where the Catholic bows their head in front of them and prays in front of them transgressing the Ten Commandments and worships them, committing idolatry. There is a vast difference.
Did anyone suck and drink the Blood of Jesus from the bottom of the Cross?
Jn 6 talk about the faith ( Jn 6:47) The Words are the Life and the Spirit ( Jn 6:63)