Featured Have Any Spiritual Gifts Ever "Died Out"?

Your denial of 1800 years of history is absurd.
Your inability to demonstrate that the gifts are for today is shameful.

 

After Paul went through everything he had to say about the misuse of tongues in the 14th chapter of 1Corinthians, he concluded with these words:
"Let him that is ignorant be ignorant still."
If you are not going to accept what I say, then just remain in your ignorance and I will let God deal with you. That is basically what he said to them.

But if I come even close to saying that you are very much offended and tell me that I am degrading you. The Word speaks for itself, and you ignore it.
I have proved my case through Scripture and you ignore what I post. My previous post you have ignored. You have no answer for the silence of history. You have no answer for the inability of faith healers, so-called, not able to heal, or miracle workers not being able to work miracles, or tongues speakers not being able to speak in foreign languages as they did in the first century.
This is what is called fraud.
What answer can you give. This is not an attack on you personally but an attack on the entire movement.
But when you take that movement on personally and personally make these claims that your claim is fraudulent. Fraud is very serious. Why don't you understand that? Why can't you understand that if you studied history you would find that there were greater movements of the working of the Holy Spirit, and great revivals then you have ever seen in this 21st century, the Charismatic movement notwithstanding. These things are entirely outside the Charismatic movement and have nothing to do with speaking in tongues. But you relegate the work of the Spirit to unbelief!!!!

 

I am not the one in unbelief. Others have tried to show you this. You don't believe 1800 years of history. How do you account for that?

Yes it does. You don't accept teaching, rebuke, the history of tongues, the current inability for the gifts to be in operation today. You unbelief is outstanding.

 

the offices of Apostle/prophet ceased to operate after the Apostolic Age, as NO need for ongoing revelations, and the Gift bestowed to heal and do miracles ceased, for since John passed away, god has healed and done miracles, but for his plan and purposes, NONE gifted by him any more to do such!

 

We know that God can and still does divine healing today, but its in response to prayers of the saints to him, and if it is His Will to do it!

Do you know ANY healings done by one gifted to heal by God themselves?

Do you hold that physical healing was in the stonement, and that its His will to always heal, bless, prosper IF one has enough faith to "name it claim it?"

 

NONE here say ALl of them passed away, just that Apsotle/prophet offices closed, and the gifts to heal/do miracles and give revelatio to the church ceased!

And do you hold that its the will of God to always heal a Christian?

 

I have used plenty of Scripture not only in this thread, but in the other one, especially in the other thread.
Here I have challenged you with history, a history you deny. Let me give you one example, just one, where you say people deny the power of the Holy Spirit:

http://www.upstreamca.org/prayinghyde.html

You have never seen any thing like that. You have never experienced such power. Yet you deny it has happened. Hyde lived from 1865-1912. He saw thousands come to the Lord. There was great power upon his life. He never spoke in tongues. He was Presbyterian.

This is part of that 1800 years of history where you deny the Holy Spirit was working. What a shame!
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is the HS a Person to you, as you keep referring to the "manifestation!"

And the gifts were operating in time of Acts, Apostolic Age, the sign gifts not now!

the good News on this is that yu can still get 'delivered' from this, as check the archives, DHK and i used to talk back and forth like you are with us!

 

CEV 1Co 12:7 The Spirit has given each of us a special way of serving others.

 

who had the gift of healings and miracles recorded down outside of the book of acts?

did peter or paul record in their letters the miracles and healings god did by their hands ?

can't you see that the gifts like that were ceasing even during the time of hthe NT books being written , as evidenced in hebrews 2:2-4?

 

I gave you the example of Praying Hyde, and the great power that was upon his life and ministry. The above is the response to his testimony and the Holy Spirit working through his life.

However this is what you said previously:

Your stand is that Christianity did not teach what you believe is "the manifestation of the Holy Spirit" for 1800 years. That is what you said in post #138, and that is what you have said and claimed in other threads. That is your belief. Therefore what happened in India at the time of Praying Hyde, according to you must be of Satan, because the Holy Spirit wasn't working during that period. People had stopped believing.

Like I said, it is shameful the way you treat history, 1800 years of it.
It is shameful the way that you treat this current era:
That you are not able to demonstrate these same gifts that you believe are in operation; you cannot demonstrate that they are in operation. There is no available evidence that they are. We call that fraud. What do you call it? Belief in the non-existent? That is foolishness. [/FONT]