Featured Divine Illumination/ Divine Enablement

Thanks Brother,

However, squirrels are pretty ingenuous but then DHK is not a squirrel!:thumbs::laugh::laugh::thumbs:

 

Wonderful Scripture. i rejoice every time I read these! But the Scripture tells us:

1 Corinthians 2:9. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

 

Take a deep breath OR, and then take another.
I answered part of your post, as much as I could before I went to church. (Besides I was under no obligation to answer it all). Either way, that does not make me "disingenuous," as you say. Why the derogatory language? I answered part of your post and you angrily post this.
What are my motives?
I clarified my position. What are you talking about? Am I missing something here OR? I responded to half a dozen references that I posted, and that you falsely accused me of only partially quoting the verses. I restated what I originally posted for you. What are you attacking me for?

As for the rest of your post let's look at it.
The truth is that were it not for the GRACE of God no one would be saved.

The thread is about "divine illumination." Anyone can copy and paste scripture--even my small grandchildren. The scripture remains meaningless until someone gives it meaning. Thus your constant copy and paste method is quite meaningless. This thread on "illumination" becomes even more relevant.

I like the scripture you posted. I agree with the scripture 100%. I believe all the Bible. But I don't believe your interpretation of it. So copy and paste away.
You can make dogmatic statements and huff and puff, but with no Biblical exposition, you have made no points whatseover.

Next point:

Of course the sheep believe. We all agree on that.
Again, nice copy and paste. I always agree with Scripture.

Next point:

Another lame copy and paste. At least you attempted to comment on one of the verses. On second that you just regurgitated the same words over again.

The sum of what you said is here:

Really! Quite lame and childish answer. The Bible says quite a bit more than this.
Salvation is in Christ alone, through grace alone, by faith alone.

Without faith in Christ, your "only grace" is vain and empty.

 

That statement from your post #88, DHK, is the most ridiculous statement that I have ever heard. I cannot believe a Christian would make such a statement. In trying to belittle me you have unveiled the real DHK.

Is that the result of your Roman Catholic upbringing? I have heard they believe only what they are told to believe. At one time the Roman Catholics would execute anyone outside the priesthood who posessed a Bible.

 

DHK,

You need to learn to use the "quote" feature correctly. In your post #88 you have the following:

Apparently you do not believe my claim in post #73 that

I sure would not want anyone to think you believe that truth.

The above quote should read{from my post #73}:

 

I meant every word of it. Posting scripture without giving the meaning is meaningless. That is why preachers simply don't read the scriptures and then dismiss everyone. They expound them, explain what they mean, give the sense, etc.
But you simply copy and paste, copy and paste, often without any comment. It is meaningless.

Here is a good passage of Scripture. I will post it without the reference so you can comment on it for me. Give the meaning of it for me.

"...northward four a day, southward four a day, and toward Asuppim two and two. At Parbar westward, four at the causeway, and two at Parbar."
--How meaningful is this to you?

Let's look at a more practical example:
Nehemiah 8:4 And Ezra the scribe stood upon a pulpit of wood, which they had made for the purpose;...
Nehemiah 8:5 And Ezra opened the book in the sight of all the people; (for he was above all the people and when he opened it, all the people stood up:
Nehemiah 8:7 ... caused the people to understand the law: and the people stood in their place.
Nehemiah 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.

Nehemiah 8:11 So the Levites stilled all the people, saying, Hold your peace, for the day is holy; neither be ye grieved.
12 And all the people went their way to eat, and to drink, and to send portions, and to make great mirth, because they had understood the words that were declared unto them.

Ezra did not just read the scriptures. He caused the people to understand. He "gave the sense" (exegesis). He expounded upon them. He told them what it meant.
They went away with great joy because they had understood the words that were declared unto them.

A copy and paste of scripture is meaningless unless meaning is attached to it.
We all agree with the Scripture. I agree with every scripture you post. So what is your point? We both have the "same Bibles." But unless you give "your meaning, the sense, the understanding," it remains meaningless.

I agree with every verse in Ephesians chapter one. It is a tremendous chapter. And if you do a search you will find that I went through that chapter (most of it) verse by verse, giving the meaning of each verse, demonstrating that it does not mean what the Calvinists declare it to mean.
Therefore a simple copy and paste of the chapter by you doesn't prove anything.

This is a very telling post here.
The entire thread is about divine illumination and enablement.
Notice how God gave to Ezra the power to declare to the Israelites the sense and understanding of the Scriptures.

But you copy and paste scripture without any comment. Perhaps you don't have any illumination? I will let you decide that personally. A person posting scripture should be able to "enlighten" the rest of us as to what the scripture means.

One more practical example.
What is your view on the atonement? (You don't have to say right now).
There is a poster, posting scripture in the Other Denom. Forum.
But the scripture he is posting, he is posting in defense of the "Christus Victor" view of the atonement, which IMO is heretical.

Scripture posted without meaning remains meaningless.

 

That is very kind of you, isn't it. Do you have any more dirt you want to throw around?

Salvation is in Christ alone, through grace alone, by faith alone.
Understand?

 

Just goes to show how consumed you are with bitterness DHK. I try to save you the embarrassment of contradicting yourself and you cast stones!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

But it is no laughing matter when you state in your post #88:

And then you double down in post #93!

{Emphasis mine.}

I would have you note the following Scripture. I present them without comment since you don't believe anything I say and then complain about it!

2 Timothy 3:16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

John 14:26. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Really DHK if you cannot understand the above Scripture I am sure someone on the Forum will help you out. I would offer but you simply will not believe anything I say. Now if I were a Rapture Ready pre-tribber it might be different.

Of course God gave you the Holy Spirit to help you understand but some folks are stubborn, absolutely will not listen, and sadly drift into error.

 

Bob Ryan, our resident SDA uses the same scripture to back up his posts.
So what are you trying to say? That because you post those scriptures they validate your post? They don't.

 

In fact, OR, I have had Muslims use these Scriptures in defense of the coming of Mohammed. They refer to Mohammed as the last prophet, the prophesying of the "Comforter" to come.

This only goes to further my statement that scripture posted without meaning (context) is still meaningless.

 

Perhaps I have a little more respect for the intelligence and Biblical understanding of the people on this forum.

You brag:

It is quite obvious that you do not believe every verse in Ephesians chapter one. It is obvious that you don't believe Ephesians 1:3-7:

3. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4. According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5. Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
6. To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
7. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

God chose us in Jesus Christ before the foundation of the world. That is unconditional election DHK. Do you believe that?

God had "predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,". That is, God had determined before the foundation that we would, through Jesus Christ, be adopted as His children into the family of God. That means God did not have to wait for DHK to exercise his "free will" before He knew what to do! It was simply "according to the good pleasure of his will that one day HE would save DHK in His own time and in His own way.

God "made us accepted in the beloved" who is Jesus Christ; not the exercise of anyones "free will" whereby they make themselves "accepted in the beloved". Not the exercise of your "free will" DHK where you made yourself "accepted in the beloved."

So you see DHK you don't believe all of Ephesians 1. There is more you don't believe but enough for now.

 

There you go again DHK, spouting off meaningless drivel. It is bad enough to reject what I say but to reject what Scripture clearly states, blaming it on Muslims, is downright blasphemous!

I see you are waffling a little on your earlier statement

by inserting "context"!

SO Rant on DHK! Rant on!

 

You have never lived in an Islamic nation have you?
You don't need to refute Islamic doctrine on a regular basis or what is worse the misrepresentation of Christian doctrine to others. I never said anything blasphemous.
The question is this: How do Muslims use Scripture to defend the coming of Mohammed? I showed you, and you say "I am blaming it on Muslims...downright blasphemous."
You are being unreasonable and ridiculous.

How do Oneness Pentecostal's use the Scripture to disprove the Trinity?
How do the SDA use the Scripture to prove the annihilation of the wicked?
(hint: think "conditional hell")
How do J.W.'s use the Scripture to deny the deity of Christ?
--each group does. They give THEIR meaning to the scriptures.
That doesn't make ME blasphemous--a ridiculous assumption on your part.

Yes, "context." How does one get the "meaning" of a passage?
Through: context, word studies, grammatical study, historical setting, who the author is and who the author is writing to, purpose of the book, etc.
--All of these help to determine the "meaning." Scripture without meaning is meaningless. Context gives a part of the meaning.