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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Internet Theologian, Nov 20, 2015.

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  1. Internet Theologian

    Internet Theologian Well-Known Member

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    You wouldn't say that, I know, but you still misuse the text and apply it as an offer of salvation. It's not much different than 1 Cor. 10. This shows as warning those who are and are not His. There is nothing in what I've done using hindsight to make it say something. That's a bit unfair and frankly completely unfounded brother.
     
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  2. JonShaff

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    The Text demands "His People"(on a national level) to be the Jews as it follows the ebb and flow of scripture as Salvation had yet to be offered to the gentiles (Acts 10) and Many of the Prophecies of Isaiah have yet to be fulfilled. Once again, you are making the scriptures say something they do not.
     
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    I agree with "we were dead before salvation," But obviously we haven't experienced the second death and we weren't physically dead, correct? Therefore we have to limit what "dead" means
     
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    I'm not saying scripture is in it's present tense "Offering Salvation" to anyone. The Scriptures are for Believers. The Message of Christ Within the Scriptures is what we relay to Dead People (unbelievers) so that they may have Life.
     
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    In other words you can't answer the question. And that is very, very sad.


    1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.
     
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    It would be good to keep in mind that this account in Genesis is given by God to Moses. Moses was not there as an eyewitness .
    Moses is dependent on upon God and His revelation .
    God is telling Moses what he needs to know and what he intends to reveal about that whole circumstance.

    For example we are not told how God gave Adam the capacity to speak and to think in a language that can communicate with God .
    we are not told a lot of things .
    we are told what we need to know and what had to be communicated at that time
    Tom Cassidy had offered by Genesis 6 you see that the thoughts and intents of man were only evil contcontinuawere
     
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    You were manipulative, you would do that to a brother in Christ?
     
    #147 JonShaff, Dec 11, 2015
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    You are being dishonest. I asked you a legitimate question which you refuse to answer honestly. Would a brother in Christ do that?
     
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    You gave me a redherring. How is that being honest?
     
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    I asked you an honest question regarding your understanding of salvation. You refuse to answer it. If you were an honest man you would at least try to answer it. The fact that you keep trying to dodge answering it tells me you are not an honest man. You know that if you answer it honestly your understanding of biblical soteriology will have to change.
     
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    Please see my responses in yours.
     
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    I answered yours, and you ignored mine. How do you know you have ears to hear and that you're not just parroting what sounds good to you?
     
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    TCASSIDY? You ignore mine and then try and chastise me for being reluctant to answer your question?
     
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    Not really. If God ordained whatever came to pass and Jesus was the mediator before the world, then God ordained the fall. Is that what you are saying.

    A simple yes or no will suffice.
     
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    No, because gravity is a physical attribute of the world. It was here before the fall and after the fall.

    My question is this--if man is totally depraved who made him that way?
     
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    Sure, but who set up the consequences of the fall?
     
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    The gift being at the post office requires that someone intended for you to have it.
     
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    No kidding it's flawed--who plugs the TV set into the wall, who turns on the TV set? Humans.
     
    #158 InTheLight, Dec 11, 2015
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    Thank You JoJ.

    HankD
     
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    For that matter, why does God say this in Gen. 4?
    7 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.”
     
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