Featured Sola Scriptura: week-day-1 vs Bible Sabbath

I am happy to quote the text for those not inclined to read that scripture.

 

How sad that the Bible can of such little interest --

speaking of the day of Christ's resurrection when in Luke 24 the disciples were still not convinced of it -

"While the Saviour was in God's presence, receiving gifts for His church, the disciples thought upon His empty tomb, and mourned and wept. The day that was a day of rejoicing to all heaven was to the disciples a day of uncertainty, confusion, and perplexity. ")

(No mention there of a weekly cycle or weekly memorial for either the death, burial, resurrection) But still all of these one-time-events - like the birth of Christ -- should be remembered.

oh no wait! that was already posted.

 

Once again "nothing at all" about scripture... nothing at all about keeping every Sunday --- just the standard G.E. bold-type misdirection. Must be time to re-post the Bible texts in the OP.

 

Let's evaluate that claim "sola scriptura" --

1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)

2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.

3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.

8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.


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The elders consisting of scribes and pharisees are in fact the "magisterium" even Paul admits to this. And Jesus shows how they claim to "sit in the chair of Moses" as church magisterium .


Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying, The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. (Matthew 23:1-3)

 

if you only understand and employ ad hominem factless accusation such that a thread like this on "sola scriptura" testing regarding the subject of the TEN Commandments and specifically the weekly day of worship - then you will have great difficulty posting an actual Bible text or even discussing it - with your every post. In the example above all the venom is over the fact that Sunday is 'the first day of the week' and Saturday the 7th -- and that Christ was resurrected early on Sunday AM.

However there is no amount of venom and name-calling that changes that fact - was we all know.

I appeal for - serious posts.

 

Those who think the texts in the OP were all "written by Ellen White" -- need to read the OP...
#1 BobRyan, Mar 30, 2016

Having read it - then either address the actual point of the thread - or else tell us why you think that we need to only talk about how Ellen White is the author of those texts. In other words - avoid the venom and sola-ad-hominem, the sola-name-calling and let us get to the topic of the actual thread.

 

What criteria is setup in the OP that would prevent us from using the sola scriptura method to evaluate both this topic and the Trinity -- sola scriptura.

The OP does not mention "protestant or reformed" argument for anything. It simply does a straightforward contrast of specific details regarding a weekly holy day - a weekly day of worship and asks for each one "what does the Bible say".

Your conclusion that this does not reflect well on Protestant and Reformed arguments - is based on conclusions about what the answers to the Bible questions must be. In so doing you appear to agree with me that the conclusions from those Bible texts on those specific Bible questions are pretty obvious.

And "still" you have not shown a single thing that the OP mentions which would negate our establishing the Trinity - "sola scriptura" - using the same method.

I already gave the "Peter is god on earth" vs "Christ was God on Earth" as an example.

But in the case of Sabbath - the term actually IS used in the Bible - so might be some flawed "equivocation" in your proposal.

Sola scriptura can be seen in Acts 17:11. The NT approves that 'sola scriptura' testing of Paul. AND YET - Paul was indeed ADDING to scripture over the course of the NT period in the first century. So while your statement is certainly true to an extent - it does not work as a rule.

Sola Scriptura - is not denied or defeated by Paul's writing "more scripture" as you seem to propose.

Rather Sola Scriptura is about TESTING all doctrine, tradition, practice, teaching by the existing known scripture that you have. This they did in the case of Paul without having to add "and of course you will not be writing any more scripture -- because then you have failed the test".

(Having said that - I do accept that the canon of scripture is closed with the writing of John sometime in the 90's).

in Christ,

Bob

 

Which would be error to claim the man to be infallible. However even they claim that only when he speaks "ex cathedra" is his word infallible. (yet another error on their part -- but it helps to be "precise").

On the contrary - the OP asks us to answer the question "what is the Bible Sabbath --according to the principle of - Sola Scriptura". The OP never argues that the Christian Sabbath would not be, must not be the "Bible Sabbath" - rather that the Christian Sabbath MUST be the Bible Sabbath if we are not going to abandon Sola Scriptura.

Very important distinction.

You also make that claim in your opening statement in this post - but never show the logic for it.

In fact you have yet to show any evidence for your other claim - which is that you cannot defend the Trinity using the same method pointed out in the OP.

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But never actually show us that such is the case.

You have made "claim after claim" -- rather well. But have not shown any of it to be true other than the fact that Catholics do not follow the Sola Scriptura model - which many of them freely admit.

in Christ,

Bob

 

enough utter nonsense --

Back to the OP --



Let's evaluate that claim "sola scriptura" --

1. There is not one NT or OT text saying "week day 1 is the Holy Day of the LORD" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Is 58:13. (AND we do not have ONE text in the NT or OT that says "week day 1 is the LORD's Day)

2. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says that "they met EVERY week-day-1 for gospel teaching" for both Jews AND gentiles but we DO have that for Sabbath in Acts 18:4-6.

3. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT that says "they met week-day-1 after week-day-1 " for anything - but we DO have that in Acts 13 and Acts 17 regarding Sabbath for both Jews AND Gentiles.

4. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "from week day 1 to week day 1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" - but we DO have that in Is 66:23 for the Sabbath.

5. There is not ONE text in the NT or OT saying "the Son of man is LORD of week day 1" but we DO have that in the NT for the Sabbath in Mark 2:28.

6. There is not ONE text in the NT saying "there REMAINS therefore a week-day 1 rest for the people of God" but we DO have that for Sabbath in Heb 4.

7. There is not ONE text in NT or OT saying "remember week-day-1 to keep it holy" but we DO have that in Ex 20:8 for the Sabbath.

8. There is NOT ONE text in NT or OT saying it is ok by God if we bend/edit/break/ignore one of the TEN Commandments - but we DO have condemnation for doing such a thing in the NT -- by the Words of Christ Himself! Mark 7:6-13


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.


============================= btw -

The elders consisting of scribes and pharise es are in fact the "magisterium" even Paul admits to this. And Jesus shows how they claim to "sit in the chair of Moses" as church magisterium .


Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying, The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. (Matthew 23:1-3)

 

I think the OP has a pretty good argument for a sola-scriptura discussion.

Some posts on this thread have actually addressed the subject.

But we also have this...

I think BaptistBoard can do better when it comes to a discussion on sola-scriptura.

 

If it is true that some NT text says "the church met every Sunday for worship" then you have a great text to post on this thread -- this is where that very question is being asked with the request that the answer be "Sola scriptura" based.