Final and Only Authority

What difference is there between the written word and the spoken word? Both are Scripture and both exceed the authority of the Pope. Is what you are saying official RCC dogma?

 

I deny the Holy Bible!!! You make me LAUGH!

You fail to understand the text of the Old Testament. The LXX was a translation made by Jewish scholars who would have been first-class in both Hebrew and Greek, and was from the very best Hebrew manuscripts of their time. Though the LXX was in use some 150 years before Jesus was born, yet no one can show that the Hebrew text that was the basis for the LXX, was not also in use. It is clear that there are cases where the LXX differs from the MT Hebrew text, which shows that its Hebrew text was from different sources, but just as reliable. Also, the LXX went through a few "revisions" especially by Origen, who did make notations when the text differed, but these differences were included into the body of the text by later scribes, so its reliability might be weakened. I believe that the Hebrew version that was the basis for the LXX is what was used and quoted in the New Testament, as the LXX itself is nothing more than a translation from the Hebrew, like our modern versions, and cannot be classed as "inspired" or of equal value to the original Hebrew text.

 

Since we are talking about the Old Testament, how is it that the RCC knows better than the Jews what books belong in the Old Testament?

 

Why won't you post here for everyone to see, whether you believe that the Holy Bible IS the Infallible, Inerrant Word of Almighty God, and completely free from any error. Or, that it is a book that "contains" the Word of God, and does have errors?

 

What you're really advocating is that the Bible is not 100% reliable for Christian doctrine. That we need flawed men to tell us what parts are true and what parts are to be ignored. What you need to do is give us an example of where the Church is in disagreement with the Scripture and corrects it.

 

Again, faith is the answer.

e.g. No one, Catholic, Protestant, Baptist or anyone can prove that the Bible is the Word of God.

It is a faith premise.

No one can prove Jesus Christ is the Son of God. God come in the flesh.
Some people will tell you that is a lie and take off your head if you don't believe them.

Some Christians did not believe the Pope when he said he is the Vicar of Christ on earth, the Catholic church then burned them at the stake.

You cannot call a faith premise a lie, well you can but it really isn't a lie if it is a faith premise belief.

e.g. you are a Christian (Catholic, Protestant, doesn't matter) you witness to a Jewish person and tell him that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
He says to you "that is a lie!".

Those who believe that the Bible is the final and only authority do it by faith not a singular passage in the Scripture, there isn't one.
Those who believe the Bible is the word of God but also believe that Holy Tradition is equally authoritative do it by faith as well.


HankD

 

Look, I'm part of the problem in this "My church is better than your church" game.

I don't know but maybe apologetics can be shared with perhaps a little disagreement but more of an information sharing venue.

e.g. The Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

This is a doctrine of the Holy Tradition of the Catholic Church but nowhere found in the Bible.
Now some will think this refers to the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ. However it is a dogma which states that Mary herself was protected from the stain of Original Sin when she herself was conceived in her mothers womb. There is an official apologetic that goes along with this dogma.

The point being - why get involved in these crash and burn crusades (of which i am partly to blame) either initiating or perpetuating them?

I know - Catholics are usually on the receiving end of the .molten brimstone.

No one benefits.

HankD

 

The car is white but some think that it is blue but the Pope is red and all agree.

 

[QUOTE="utilyan, post: 2366354, member: 12747]

Show us this VERSE.

We are not asking for verses that show the bible is TRUE(the car has an engine) or that it is important(the car has four wheels), We indeed believe the bible is true and important.

What we want is the verse that says the BIBLE is the FINAL and ONLY AUTHORITY(the car is blue)



We however want to see this VERSE they claim exists, that the BIBLE is the FINAL and ONLY authority(the car is blue).

Show us this verse or admit it is unbiblical.[/QUOTE]
What would be the point of showing it to you?
Since you aren't Sola Scriptura anyway and would simply wait for the Catholic Church to pronounce against it anyway...
Why even ask?

 

What would be the point of showing it to you?
Since you aren't Sola Scriptura anyway and would simply wait for the Catholic Church to pronounce against it anyway...
Why even ask?[/QUOTE]

I have just been sent a "warning" for speaking against the Roman Catholics on these forums! May one wonder if they run this board!!!

 

I do like how you use Scripture to make your points, even flawed points, it shows the practice of Sola Scripture, which you say is phony.

Two questions for you;

1) Can a person be taught by God and saved through reading the Scripture alone?

2) Can a person be taught by God how to love God and love their neighbor through reading the Scripture alone?

 

It is certain in the Acts passage and quite likely in the Peter passage that these were not Christians, or at the very best (In Peter) immature Christians, "untaught and unstable". By contrast, John "You need not that any man teach you, etc."

The point is that, ultimately, scripture and the God who unlocks Scripture, is our infallible source of guidance.

 

Funny how the Eastern Orthodox have their own Patriarchs/ Metropolitans - i.e. the head Bishops of all their faithful. They also continue on with much of the same belief's of the Roman Church, you know, things like sacred tradition and the full seven sacraments.

 

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I think that the Holy Spirit is also part of our infallible source of guidance and the same Holy Spirit is part and parcel of the One Universal (Catholic) Christian Church.