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But shouldn't we interpret the Bible spiritually instead of literally?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Iconoclast, Dec 18, 2017.

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  1. John of Japan

    John of Japan Well-Known Member
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    Well, everyone but thatbrian. :)
    Personally, I think they mock the literal because they don't understand the literal method.
    I have no idea what you are talking about here. Never heard of this one, and the term is not in the Bible except for the title of the book.
    Glad to know that.
     
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    I'll answer your question with questions of my own. Can Christ riding a horse be the result of several different miracles? Why deny the horse simply because there are physical impossibilities involved?

    I see no reason that the chain cannot be literal, since angels have a physical presence. But you, like the others, mock the literal view with your "Ace Hardware" comment. I'm disappointed in you. Mocking convinces no one, but only offends, and is poor debating technique.
     
  3. Iconoclast

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    Again if there was a literal 1000 yr period that would be fine.
    Like when on new years people watch the ball drop in times square...then like a stop watch starts a 1000 yr countdown....no one would be sad to be there. We would have to confess that we were wrong on this...just being there would prove it to each person.
    However....if it is meant to give a clear image of a long period of time, beyond a normal life span even for Methuselah....then the difference would be that many are not serving in the Kingdom as they should right now.
    I am not speaking of you, because you and others are all about serving the Lord....but I have had more than a few tell me why bother ,everything is going to pass away anyway.
     
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    This nonsense is why so few take you seriously on this forum. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
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    RE: Riding a white horse: Why can't the literal and the symbolic be blended rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Jesus visibly returns to earth in the manner He left (bodily) - the white horse symbolizing His glorious return as the conquering potentate - LORD of lords and King of kings.

    IMO Everyone of us has this blend in their biblical repertoire and personally I respect them all (may not like it, but respect, yes even the preterists - did I say that?).

    Obviously our blend determines our eschatology (or lack thereof).

    HankD
     
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  6. John of Japan

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    Anyone who interprets dispensational premillennialism as meaning we don't have to serve Christ because "everything is going to pass away anyway" is sadly ignorant of the doctrine.

    1. The glory of God is the purpose of each dispensation, especially the church age, and laziness in His service does not glorify God.
    2. The Second Coming should spur us on to greater efforts for Christ, since there will be a Judgment Seat of Christ where we are rewarded (or not) for serving Him.
     
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  7. Iconoclast

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    John....if you list all the events concerning Moses as mediator leading Israel out of Egypt...literally...from the ruler trying to kill him as a child, to being raised up as a leader...to going up to Pharoah,to all of the supernatural events as God effected the first....dare I say it?....literal Exodus-
    Then examine the gospels and see if the Historical Exodus....was given as a type to allow us a clearer understanding of our Lords person and work.
    That is the New Exodus I am speaking about.
     
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    I am not mocking by mentioning a hardware store at all....I am completely serious.
    The literal chain....how can that bind a spirit?
    The only literal binding....would be a spiritual binding..
     
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    Okay. Typology. The literal method recognizes typology, only we would say Moses is the type, not the exodus. What's the relevance here?
     
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    Please pay attention. I answered this already.
     
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    Nonsense???? Did someone pee in your cornflakes this morning TC?
    Where is this comment coming from?
    The reason we have to be changed is flesh and blood cannot inherit heaven...a change has to take place...something different must occur...
     
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    Yes, nonsense!

    That is a disgusting metaphor and I will thank you not to pollute the forum with such crudities.

    It is coming from your childish mockery of God's word.

    That is just pathetic.

    Equally pathetic.

    Mockery is a tacit admission of failure on your part. You can't honestly discuss the issue so you engage in mockery which exposes your fallacy.

    "Appeal to Ridicule is a type of logical fallacy. Logical fallacy is using false logic to try to make a claim or argument. Appeal to ridicule is a fallacy that attempts to make a claim look ridiculous by mocking it or exaggerating it in a negative way."
    www.softschools.com/examples/fallacies/appeal_to_ridicule_examples/519/

    As I said, pathetic.
     
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    Whatever is happening here, Satan will be bound, and that has not yet happened!
    For when he is, no more false religions, carnage, world wars etc!
     
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    Long time finishing this.

    According to NT prophecy - e.g. Olivet, the last days run from Pentecost to Jesus final return in glory for resurrection & judgment, with an intermediate coming for the destruction of the temple & Jerusalem which took place in AD 70. The next great event is Jesus' final coming. That, according to Peter will be immediately followed by the NH&NE.

    Jesus & the Apostles make it clear that Jesus has a present spiritual Kingdom, of which believers are citizens, kings & priests. John 3, 1 Cor., Col. 1, et al. They also make it clear that there is spiritual warfare in that spiritual realm.

    In what way do you think we are "spiritualising" in a way that rejects a proper interpretation of Scripture?

    THe "millennium" includes the souls of martyred believers living & reigning with Christ as priests. That is our present spiritual status as born again believers, as Peter explains in 1 Peter 2, and that status will not be ended by natural death nor martyrdom. John sees the faithful believers in glory, in heaven in the presence of their Saviour, awaiting resurrection.

    The "millennium" holds vast numbers of unbelievers waiting for Satan's release so they can march across the breadth of the earth against the camp of God's people. Future millennium teaching has Jesus reigning in person on earth over those unbelievers. A present spiritual reign over the spiritual realm during the Gospel age, is the simple teaching of Scripture. And a final coming for resurrection & judgment.

    That is not spiritualising, it is an understanding of the carnal realm & the spiritual realm. Jesus is reigning from David's throne in heaven. Acts 2.

    Off topic.
     
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    This age is not the millennial reign presented by the prophets, the apostles, and The Lord Jesus Christ.
     
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    I am still looking for no more war/disease/crime and all worship the true God!
     
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    I was "reading" it into the REVELATION.
     
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    Try this Scripture -
    Jer. 23:5 “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord,
    “That I will raise to David a Branch of righteousness;
    A King shall reign and prosper,
    And execute judgment and righteousness in the earth.
    6 In His days Judah will be saved,
    And Israel will dwell safely;
    Now this is His name by which He will be called:

    THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    7 “Therefore, behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord, “that they shall no longer say, ‘As the Lord lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,’ 8 but, ‘As the Lord lives who brought up and led the descendants of the house of Israel from the north country and from all the countries where I had driven them.’ And they shall dwell in their own land.”
     
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    Please give examples of "the prophets, the apostles, and The Lord Jesus Christ" teaching the millennial reign. A millennium populated by hordes of evil, unregenerate men.
     
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    Can anyone point out a prophecy by Jesus that hasn't LITERALLY come to pass? (Of those that have already been fulfilled)
     
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