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A Calvinist Christian man and a Calvinist Christian woman fall in love and marry. They like God's command to be fruitful and multiply so they intend to have many children, maybe a full quiver if possible, which they can pour out their love towards. But with their Calvinist views on election they ponder whether or not they should have any children at all, what if God has not elected to salvation the children they may give birth to and cherish? Maybe God will not love them as they would and instead actually hate their children. What should they do? Take a chance their children whom they will love might be hated by God and sent to the lake of fire? Or better just not have any children?

 

Ppl should not worry about things they can not control. All any parent can do is raise them to fear the Lord and leave the saving up to Him.

 

Better to have salvation in the hands of a Holy, just and merciful God than to leave it up to a fallen human who's desire is of the flesh. I much rather trust God with such things then leave it to chance or to my children

*I have never met a Calvinist that has even worried about the above. They have full faith in God and His sovereign decrees

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Yea that

 

Easy for you to say. How bout if the child dies prior to you being able to raise them. It’s funeraltime! Do you know if your kids in heaven?!? So let’s just not worry.... be happy. So when you worry your face will frown & that will bring everybody down...so don’t worry, be happy now.

Bobby McFerrin Don't Worry Be Happy - Google Search

 

Salvation is of, through, and by the Lord. No one He has elected will die lost.

 

Great... everyone gets saved then. So what about being God’s chosen before the ferments were formed....before there was an Adam. Any merit to that?

 

I’m curious ITL, are you saying that Adams sin affected only him? Then are you saying that we humans can live free of sin if we want to?

 

No, of course not.

12Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned—
13To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.
Romans 5:12‭-‬13 NIV

Fetuses have not yet sinned. They aren't yet sinners. But they will be if they are born and mature.

No, not possible to live without sinning.

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
1 John 1:8‭, ‬10


But we should strive to be holy, since He is holy.

I am the Lord your God; consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am holy.
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I am the Lord , who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy.
Leviticus 11:44‭-‬45 NIV

But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”
1 Peter 1:15‭-‬16 NIV


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Here is your old friend Tony, Dr. Leighton Flowers...

Names Written BEFORE the Foundation of the World?

 

No of course not. Why would it be?

No for I'm absolutely confident God will dispense mercy in such a way that doesn't run contrary to all things he's established about his character and nature. That character is one which displays no hypocrisy or respect to persons. When God gives the Command for all men to repent in Acts 17:20. I have no doubt his kind nature wouldn't trouble individuals to do something they couldn't possibly do. Such would be unfair, unrighteous and cruel. Jesus said we're to do unto others as we'd have them do unto us and it goes without question we wouldn't want somebody insisting we do the impossible either. What would such and act be? Outside of LOVE and God is LOVE. He never leaves LOVE for a moment. To do so would be to deny himself.

No. God (LOVE) allows sinners to choose their own destiny. If you love something set it FREE if it comes back it's yours.....if it doesn't it never was.

 

And you can control your child to fear the Lord?

 

This is a red herring. Salvation is ALL of God. I always here the accusation that non-Cals misrepresent Cal's beliefs. Cals do the same thing. God draws, God saves, God allowing a decision does not take anything away from salvation being ALL of God.

What are you trusting God for? Are you trusting God will be Just and leave your child for hell? Or are you trusting God will be merciful and select your child for salvation? Remember also, no matter which you choose to trust God for makes no difference to God. Your trusting will not change anything....isn't that a good relationship to have with God?

What does this mean? Calvinist do not worry about whether or not their children will be left to hell? Sounds cold hearted to me. "They have full faith in God"? What does this matter when it comes to whether or not their children they love may be hated by God? What does your "full faith" consist of? Faith God will give your children what they deserve, hell? Or faith God will save them?

 

Again, what are you trusting the Lord will do? Are you trusting God will give your child what they deserve, hell? Or are you trusting God will save your child? If you are merely trusting God will do what is Just and Right, then you would be trusting that God will let your child for hell. If your trusting God will save your child, then you believe your trusting is playing a part in God's election. Otherwise, your trusting would be empty and worthless, doesn't matter what you trust the Lord for, it won;t change anything, right?

Why? God might hate their children. Would God require more love out of a fallen sinner than He Himself would give?

No. He should be locked up for life or given the death penalty. No mercy should be given to him by the government. No pardon should be given to him by any governor. But of course government and law is quite different than our subject at hand. Unless you believe our government giving pardons for merits/good behavior is what you see God doing when He pardons sinners.

 

All any parent can do is teach them. You are putting too little faith in God’s ability to save. We teach and if they’re saved it’s because He saves. We teach and they’re not saved, it’s their fault for rejecting God’s word.