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Doesn't he see AD 70 as time when prophecy was fulfilled?

 

Oh, that is interesting. I was surprised at your first quotation by Walvoord. People who believe in pre-trib usually consider all other views heretical in my experience.

What event do you think precedes the first resurrection?

 

There is more than the final resurrection, It happens everyday, children of God are resurrected everyday to newness of life... Brother Glen

Ephesians 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

Obviously, if Scripture were plain about it, we wouldn't be arguing about it.

 

There is no need for ad hominem type statements.

Note that you used "verses" plural, and in so doing you proved the point I was attempting to make.

This is my point Again - there are several NT concepts especially within the realm of eschatology as well as others (e.g. The Kenosis, the Hypostatic Union, etc)
which depend on an inference of more than one verse of scripture in response to your statement that you did not accept teachings which come from inference.

That is all.

 

Y - that is why I supplied the verses to illustrate its usage.

 

So you are pre-trib. Why don't you just say so up front?

 

So to understand you correctly, you would not say that the resurrection of the saved dead and the living Christians are simultaneous?

If you look at Revelation 19, as I am sure that you have, you will see that Jesus, the Blessed Hope, returns to fight the battle of Armageddon. And then Satan was locked up in hell for a thousand years. And then was the first resurrection.

Titus 2:13 (KJV) Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

If you are pre-trib, okay with me. I lost interest in dispensationalism a few years ago. Since I was fortunate enough to visit Kentucky almost a year ago, I have become quite interested in young earth creationism (YEC). That doctrine also makes people very angry and so one has to keep it to one's self in American churches, also. There were some English clergy who never adopted Darwin in the early 19th century, and perhaps some in the USA whose names have been lost. Dr. Terry Mortenson of www.answersingenesis.org listed these men in a doctoral thesis that he wrote while living and studying in England at Coventry University: Granville Penn (1761-1844), George Bugg (1769-1851), Andrew Ure (1778-1857), George Fairholme )1789-1846), John Murray (1786?-1851), George Young (1772-1848), William Rhind (1797-1874) [from The Great Turning Point]. As you can see the British foisted not only Darby off on the church but also Darwin in the nineteenth century.

 

Isn't that what I said?

I am trying to see if you have a timetable for the first resurrection and the return of the Blessed Hope or if you are promoting the agenda of the Englishman Darby, not that I care about that point of theology because Americans will attack anyone who does not believe with Darby.

 

Yeah, that's John Nelson Darby, born in Westminster and died in Bournemouth. Revelation says that the second resurrection happens a thousand years after the first, but Darby did his own thing I guess.

 

Is that in your first edition that was later taken out of subsequent editions?

 

Actually histprical PreMil holds with the 1000 years also, and some of the ECF held to that viewpoint, 1800 years before Darby even was born!