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In the Rabbinic Talmud exists a false fable, claiming Jesus was a satanic sorcerer. Eitan Bar & Moti Vaknin not only refute the fable, but also show how the Talmud shoots itself in the foot!!
The TALMUD is not a Christian source and as a matter of fact is not accept by God and has become , for Edom Jews their Word, not the Torah. Within the Talmud are very disturbing lies about Christ which the Edom Jews use to try and discredit Christ's divinity! Those of the lineage of Jacob and not Esau come to Christ and know the truth. Their number is not complete but will soon be.

TRUE CHRISTIAN JEWS reject the Talmud. They also reject Jonathan Cahn who uses it!

 

Where did you get such a silly notion? I didn't say any such thing! I say "Happy Easter" myself in its season. So, please cur-n-paste any post of mine where I said what you say I said, or else please make an apology.

But Easter didn't exist when Luke wrote the letter that became "Acts", & it's a goof in the KJV to have the word "Easter" in Acts 12:4.

 

I know you want to be the know it all in the room . I am simply responding to what you say. Sometimes attitude and tone can not be at the surface all the time when reading people words. In my defense you did not mention these things in the post I responded to. I am not too proud to give an apology , I am sorry I did not know where you were coming from because I am no mind reader. Peace!

 

Cool! I like your account.

 

Got it!

 

Depends if we bow down and worship the Tree, or if we follow Teutonic gods, or the real God!

 

Their lies set a time for Jesus, and thus the crucifixion and we derive His birth year. but not the time of year

 

But is it 100% factual? I do not claim mine is. Since this is not a matter of salvation but Theological discussion its okay if we are off somewhere. How did you come up with all your understanding? I would like to read from historical account myself. As I said I do not claim a definitive answer. Do you?

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robycop3 said:
Quirinius was de-facto ruler of the Judea area the first time from C. 6 BC to C. 3 BC as he was there to lead a fight against a tribe called the Homonadenses. His force subdued them, then he hung around to negotiate a peace with them & to see that they intended to abide by it.

As for Jesus' death date, that one's easy! He underwent His "passion" on the first day of passover, which was on Wednesday in 27 AD. Thus, He was in the tomb Thursday, Friday, & Saturday, being resurrected before Sunday began. (The Sabbath beginning at sunset Wednesday was a "High Sabbath", the first of the two Holy Congregation days of Passover Week. A High Sabbath can fall on any day of the week. That's why Wednesday was the "Preparation Day" in which all ordinary chores were completed so only essential work was done on the High Sabbath day, same as for the normal weekly Sabbath.) So, this puts Jesus' birth in 6 BC

Now, as for Augustus Caesar's decree that all the Roman world should be taxed...the Romans kept very-detailed records of taxes & censuses ordered by the Caesars or the Senate. There's simply NO record that Augie issued any such order. However, the usual taxing authority was the local governor, and it's well-known that Quirinius had Augie's complete trust & therefore he could order things such as taxes or censuses in Caesar's name, unquestioned. So, it's quite likely that Quirinius ordered the census/tax of Scripture in Augie's name. Remember, Q was the area's governor the first time C.6 to C. 3 BC.

Then, it's been pretty well established that Herod died in 4 BC, not long after being visited by the magi & ordering the murder of all Jewish male babies 2 years old or younger. And the magi said they'd first seen their guiding star 2 years earlier. It's also been fairly-well established that the magi were Zoroastrian astrologers from northern Persia & would have an intimate knowledge of the sky & how to navigate by the stars. And the prophecy of the Messiah had been given to the Persians by the Jews while they were under Persian rule. (Not known how a star became part of that prophecy.)

So, it's likely Jesus was born in 6 BC & died/was resurrected in 27 AD. But we should simply be thankful that He came to be punished & die an unimaginably-painful death for OUR sins! (He took enough physical abuse to have killed an ordinary person several times!)

 

Hmm. I guess in this case (God is in the details?) So, between the lines is where we must read then? Huh!

Well I am glad to hear that is your only stance concerning the Talmud. Because I know Sola Scriptura proponents should find the Talmud erroneous, and vile!

 

The Talmud is not scripture but some of the older Rabbis comments are very good.. They did believe in a Messiah , Just not Jesus.

but to mention Jesus negatively , proves He existed

 

Yes, that is the nature of the beast.....so it would seem their work ( of the flesh comments) are very good? So with their works (of the flesh) that are NOT in faith, they are good? Hmm, do you extend this hand to BELIEVERS of other denominations , those who confess Christ as their Savior, are their works (that are not in the flesh) but in faith ,would you call their comments good?

 

I believe very little of man is totally correct, believer or not. but you have to agree God uses who He chooses to present truth ,even when they do not intend to as with Talmud

Many of faith are not correct on all teachings and are being used of the devil from inside the faith.

 

I dont know, it did not influence many here on earth

 

The star was actually a hypernova that occurred in the Andromeda galaxy, over a million light-years from us. This event was also recorded in China, 6 to 3 BC, where its position in the sky was noted - a position which woulda placed it overhead in Jerusalem/Bethlehem in the fall of those years, early in the evenings.

While it was a vast distance from us, GOD timed it so its light arrived on earth at the right time.

And it could well have been prophesied in this verse of Scripture:

Numbers 24:17“I see Him, but not now; I behold Him, but not near; A Star shall come out of Jacob; A Scepter shall rise out of Israel, And batter the brow of Moab, And destroy all the sons of tumult.

 

Christ-mass unmistakenly has its roots in baal worship which predominated the Roman religion at the time Baal (sun worship) worship was renamed "Christmas" in order to keep paganized Christians from leaving the apostate churches of that day. The essence of Christmas was established in ancient Babel and then universally distributed so that it is practiced world wide (from the middle east to the far east - china) with varying traditions that have been added.

If you were living at the time that Baal worship (sun worship) was simply renamed "Christmas" would you still practice it? Why or why not? Many believe that the centrality of a tree (evergreen, palm, etc.) as an object of worship (thus gifts at its base) was included in its ancient observance (Jer. 10:1-9).

Does a change in name change what something is? For example, does taking up the title "Christian" make a person different? Where does God approve of Christianizing pagan types of worship?

 

OH The Biblicist! . Thanks that explains everything!