John 12:32 in context

I gave you the answer in post 96.

Now, can anyone be saved without hearing the gospel.

 

Really? So that "many" makes "will draw all" not mean "all?" John 12:32.

 

In other words, you won’t answer my question because it will compromise your position.

Good bye and good riddance,

 

Not a question, a request.

 

As with others advocating your viewpoint, it is pointless to discuss scripture. I believe scripture teaches we are called (invited) through the gospel of Christ. I believe the call reveals God's lovingkindness as indicated by Christ dying as a sacrifice for our sins, and therefore we are drawn (attracted by persuasion) to Christ. But not all invited and drawn are chosen, so drawn does not mean compelled.

You view is although many are exposed to the gospel, because of their total spiritual inability, they cannot hear and understand the gospel, unless enabled by irresistible grace. But Matthew 23:13 teaches unregenerate men were entering the kingdom, therefore enabled to seek God, but were blocked by false teachers. Therefore I believe your viewpoint is bogus.

 

I have read the whole passage, you clearly have not or at least are not being honest about what it actually says. And about drawing only the chosen how about John 6:44?

John 6:37-40
John 17:2
John 17:9
Acts 2:39
Romans 8:28-30 (Golden Chain of Salvation)
Romans 9
Ephesians 1:4-6
1 Thess. 1:4

I could keep going but you get the idea by this point if you are honest about the texts.

 

He’s in my ignore now. He won’t engage anyone. It’s onesided when someone debates him.

 

And another one just got re-added to my ignore list.

 

You really need to look at the Greek. When the word draws is used it literally means dragged.

Which is what Scripture states.

You need to do some exegetical work on this passage. Nowhere does this verse say unregenerate men were entering the Kingdom.

 

Draw and call are not the same thing.

 

That’s their problem in a nutshell. They focus on one verse and lock in on it. They offer no exegesis whatsoever. They quote a verse and say ‘case closed’ without explaining the surrounding context.

 

Gonna call you out on this one. That simply is a false statement. I have refuted you repeatedly and you haven't even engaged my arguments.

 

Again Davidtaylorjr, you know as well as I do the word is used both literally (to drag, compel) and metaphorically (to draw, attract, persuade.) Claiming it has only one meaning is pointless obfuscation.

1 Cor. 3:1 states Paul talked to new Christians "as men of flesh" using milk. Therefore men of flesh (unregenerate) can understand the spiritual milk of the gospel. Therefore total spiritual inability for all people is fiction. Some people yes (the first soil) but not for the rest.

I could go on but it is pointless, you will claim none of the verses mean what they say.

 

No sir. We are talking about two entirely different Greek words.

You are reading so much into this text. It does not say they are unregenerate, you read that into it. It says they are living in the flesh. He is calling them to live to their calling.

 

As I said, your posts are just more of the same obfuscation I get from others holding the same viewpoint.

For example, now "men of flesh" means "regenerate men of flesh." I kid you not, that is the claim. The opposite of its actual meaning.

Then of course we have the deflection concerning the metaphorical meaning of draw (the Greek word in John 12:32):
"2. metaphorically, to draw by inward power, lead, impel: John 6:44 (so in Greek also; as ἐπιθυμίας... ἑλκουσης ἐπί ἡδονάς, Plato, Phaedr., p. 238 a.; ὑπό τῆς ἡδονῆς ἑλκόμενοι, Aelian h. a. 6, 31; likewise 4 Macc. 14:13; 15:8 (11).trahitsuaquemquevoluptas, Vergil, ecl. 2, 65); πάντας ἑλκύσω πρός ἐμαυτόν, I by my moral, my spiritual, influence will win over to myself the hearts of all, John 12:32. Cf. Meyer on John 6:44; (Trench, § 21, Compare: ἐξέλκω.)"