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John 12:32 in context

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Reformed1689

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MB said:
Not so. If I had to Quote the whole bible to get a point accross about what every verse says I would have to take upm the whole board. You have a bible check it out you might l earn something. I seriously doubt you agree with it because it means all men are drawn.
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Ok, let's give you a test then. What is the meaning of Matthew 7:1?

MB said:
No you used a Bible that has changed the meaning of the verse from what it says originally
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Of course I did. I am using an English Bible and the original is Greek. However, I am not using a Bible that changed the meaning so I am not sure how you came to that conclusion.

MB said:
I didn't ignored it at all that is in your imagination. Truth is you just wish to accuse. You wish to make a big deal out of nothing.
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Then you agree the full context of the passage shows it is referring to Jews and Greeks and not individual persons.
 
Reformed1689

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All can be understood to be drawn, but not all will come, ". . . For many are called, but few are chosen. . . ." -- Matthew 22:14.
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Van said:
Outstanding observation, thanks!
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Actually, this is not correct. The word in Matthew 22:14 is not drawn but called. It has a completely different meaning in the Greek than drawing does.

Many are called, or invited, but only the ones chosen actually are drawn in and answer that call.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Ok, let's give you a test then. What is the meaning of Matthew 7:1?



Of course I did. I am using an English Bible and the original is Greek. However, I am not using a Bible that changed the meaning so I am not sure how you came to that conclusion.



Then you agree the full context of the passage shows it is referring to Jews and Greeks and not individual persons.
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How does that prove that the verse does not mean that Christ draws all men because He was lifted up.
You are the one with a problem trying to prove it does not mean what it clearly says. You have't done that yet. I suspect you would have to say it isn't true to support your man made doctrines. It Still says all
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Reformed1689

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MB said:
How does that prove that the verse does not mean that Christ draws all men because He was lifted up.
You are the one with a problem trying to prove it does not mean what it clearly says. You have't done that yet. I suspect you would have to say it isn't true to support your man made doctrines. It Still says all
MB
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I'm seeing a pattern. You never interact with my actual arguments, you just keep rambling the same thing over and over. Do you not have a way to argue against my point?
 
SovereignGrace

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davidtaylorjr said:
I'm seeing a pattern. You never interact with my actual arguments, you just keep rambling the same thing over and over. Do you not have a way to argue against my point?
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He turned mystic when I asked him what happens to those who die never hearing the gospel.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
Actually, this is not correct. The word in Matthew 22:14 is not drawn but called. It has a completely different meaning in the Greek than drawing does.

Many are called, or invited, but only the ones chosen actually are drawn in and answer that call.
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The problem here is that you would have to prove only some are drawn. Scripture never said only those chosen are drawn. This is a Calvinist idea it's just not scriptural. Maybe you need to read the whole passage. Tell us where scripture says only some are drawn.
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SovereignGrace said:
He turned mystic when I asked him what happens to those who die never hearing the gospel.
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What is mystic about believing what scripture says. Anything is mystic to you that you disagree with. What you disagree with is the Word it self.
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MB said:
The problem here is that you would have to prove only some are drawn. Scripture never said only those chosen are drawn. This is a Calvinist idea it's just not scriptural. Maybe you need to read the whole passage. Tell us where scripture says only some are drawn.
MB
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Okay....


No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.[John 6:44]

If everyone is drawn by the Father, everyone is resurrected to be with Him.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
I'm seeing a pattern. You never interact with my actual arguments, you just keep rambling the same thing over and over. Do you not have a way to argue against my point?
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You don't have a point because you can't answer with scripture.
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SovereignGrace said:
Adam represented us. When he sinned, we sinned, being in Adam. We were born with the sentence of condemnation upon us, even though we hadn’t personally committed a single solitary sin.

The Christ, who never committed one sin, was treated as a sinner when He was imputed the sins of His elect. His elect are treated as being sinless, though they are still sinners saved by grace.
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scripture to prove what you are saying
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