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John 12:32 in context

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by MB, Mar 11, 2019.

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    #81 SovereignGrace, Mar 13, 2019
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    Ok, let's give you a test then. What is the meaning of Matthew 7:1?

    Of course I did. I am using an English Bible and the original is Greek. However, I am not using a Bible that changed the meaning so I am not sure how you came to that conclusion.

    Then you agree the full context of the passage shows it is referring to Jews and Greeks and not individual persons.
     
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    Outstanding observation, thanks!
     
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    Actually, this is not correct. The word in Matthew 22:14 is not drawn but called. It has a completely different meaning in the Greek than drawing does.

    Many are called, or invited, but only the ones chosen actually are drawn in and answer that call.
     
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    How does that prove that the verse does not mean that Christ draws all men because He was lifted up.
    You are the one with a problem trying to prove it does not mean what it clearly says. You have't done that yet. I suspect you would have to say it isn't true to support your man made doctrines. It Still says all
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    I'm seeing a pattern. You never interact with my actual arguments, you just keep rambling the same thing over and over. Do you not have a way to argue against my point?
     
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    He turned mystic when I asked him what happens to those who die never hearing the gospel.
     
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    The problem here is that you would have to prove only some are drawn. Scripture never said only those chosen are drawn. This is a Calvinist idea it's just not scriptural. Maybe you need to read the whole passage. Tell us where scripture says only some are drawn.
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    What is mystic about believing what scripture says. Anything is mystic to you that you disagree with. What you disagree with is the Word it self.
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    Is anyone saved without hearing the gospel?
     
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    Okay....


    No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.[John 6:44]

    If everyone is drawn by the Father, everyone is resurrected to be with Him.
     
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    You don't have a point because you can't answer with scripture.
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    He has answered you and refuted your position with scripture.
     
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    scripture to prove what you are saying
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    Not so Calvinist. Neither of you are capable of proving your positions with scripture.
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    Again, can anyone be saved without hearing the gospel?
     
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    Answer my questions first
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    What question? I thought I answered your questions.
     
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    post 94
     
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