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"And when Pharaoh saw that the rain and the hail and the thunders were ceased, he sinned yet more, and hardened his heart, he and his servants. And the heart of Pharaoh was hardened, neither would he let the children of Israel go; as the Lord had spoken by Moses. And the Lord said unto Moses, Go in unto Pharaoh: for I have hardened his heart, and the heart of his servants, that I might shew these my signs before him:" Exodus 9:34-10:1

 

I'm not sure what your example of judicial hardening is supposed to prove other than God's judgment came down on the Pharaoh for his willfulness to push against God. - wherein God would take it to next level and show him and all others the power of the All Mighty God.

 

Free will is free will, just because the extreme determinists try to turn it into a straw man doesn't change what it is. When we get to make a choice between two options it is free will. In other words we are free to make once choice or the other. Call them on their dishonest straw man and deal with it. In reality what their use of the strawman means is that they are either ignorant or have no real argument so they resort to the junk we saw with whatshisface in this thread.

 

WHAT??? Say that again! No - just teasing.

God from the very beginning told His created beings and their begotten what He expected of them/us in worship, actions and relationships. Then, along came Lucifer! The battles in my life are ongoing, but the war is won due to the resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

 

I think what "free will" is conveniently changes when dealing with most Calvinists. Most don't adhere to Calvin's views on what free will is.

 

This post is creepy and not connected to what DG posted at all.

 

of course rm and all on here cannot produce the one verse that speaks of free will,lol

 

Yes (but I prefer quoting from the 1689 Second London Baptist Confession of Faith):

1689 LBC 10.1 Those whom God hath predestinated unto life, he is pleased in his appointed, and accepted time, effectually to call, by his Word and Spirit, out of that state of sin and death in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ; enlightening their minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God; taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them a heart of flesh; renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good, and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ; yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.

The "most freely" part is made possible by the work of the Holy Spirit in regeneration. IOW the Holy Spirit makes the mind capable of understanding the Gospel and then the person is able to "most freely" believe.

 

Jesus said he did not judge man,, so it is not flesh here but ones, or souls or after physical death anyway

 

Choose you this day who he will serve

 

People have self will. They can make choices. That is not questioned by anyone. What is questioned is when Jesus describes men being bound in John 8....how is anyone free from the power and presence of sin.
Furthermore....I. heaven we will not be free to sin...so...where is it?

 

You miss the point. I don't know of many serious non-Calvinists who believe man has the power in himself to break the bondage to sin.

 

The point is then, that they are not "free" to love and serve God, are they?

 

Brother, we most certainly can and have offered scriptural support for our position. We have no desire to "produce" any one verse upon which we hang our doctrine. Those who disagree with our position have the luxury of redefining words and contexts to fix the passage into their theological box.

 

A multitude of Scripture has been given in support of this biblical position. A simple search for key terms in this debate will give you all the biblical backing you need.