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does anybody have the treatise from Calvin about free will ? for poor David's sake
How can we argue with a guy that is using words that do not agree with the Doctrine he quotes?

 

if one does not believe in free will or the ability to make choices, then one has to conclude , God make decisions for us and since we sin, the decision must come from God.
I understand your use of a different definition of free will than most Calvinists suggest you do not believe this way, good for you.

 

Predestination (unconditional election) does not come from scripture, Limited atonement does not come from scripture. Irresistible Grace does not come from scripture.

They are mans attempt to explain God's methods, We do not even accept who we are and our situation. How can we explain God's way

 

Readings from the Calvinist's dictionary:

Adam's Sin: 1. Something that God either caused to happen or allowed to happen to bring him glory.
2. The only instance of free will recorded in the Bible.

God's permissive will: Stuff that God makes happen by allowing it to happen and/or doesn't stop it from happening.

God's decretive will: Stuff that God makes happen. (if hyper-Calvinist see: Adam's sin.)

God’s secret will: To save a few and reprobate the rest (secret to Arminians but not to us.)

God’s revealed will: a mystery

 

The prophet Isaiah told Hezekiah that he would die very soon and then God added fifteen years to Hezekiah's life because Hezekiah had prayed and appealed to God. The Lord told Isaiah to tell Hezekiah he was basically a dead man walking and then next thing you know he lives another 15 years. Like that?
Isaiah 38:1-6

 

no, David you do not know what you are
I think it is regional in your area.

 

I think Calvinism is strong in certain areas.
I know you know but it is not whats we have encounter as "Calvinism" on the board.

Look back at some of the threads

 

God also told Abraham, “Now I know that you will not withhold anything from Me.” Did He not truly know Abraham would be willing to sacrifice Isaac until he drew back the knife?

 

Not the same thing.

God told Isaiah to tell Hezekiah he was going to die, very soon. We can only speculate as to whether or not Isaiah "saw" this was going to happen, but assuredly Isaiah was convinced it was going to happen. And then it didn't.

In your example you say if you saw a bus crash 500 years in the future and since you saw that, It MUST happen. I'm saying no, it's not necessarily going to pan out that way and I'm using Isaiah and Hezekiah as my example.

 

My bus crash analogy was that if God saw something was going to happen, it will happen. I know that analogy was lame, but was using that to further the discussion.

 

The default position to free will beliefs(Arminianism/non-Calvinism) is open theism.

 

Let's explore this analogy.

Did God cause the bus crash?
Did God allow it to happen?

Why is it wrong for Arminians to say God predestined those to salvation that he saw were going to believe in him?
For those God foreknew he also predestined... Romans 8:29

 

No, and neither is SovereignGrace in the his example of seeing a bus crash 500 years in the future.

And I'd rather you didn't put words in my mouth. (I know how much you like it yourself.)

 

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Always amusing when non-Calvinist-haters try to (wrongly) explain non-Calvinist theology or twist it and mislead people about our position. It's pretty dishonest.