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Where Is Free Will?
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Reformed1689
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I read it, but my position does not blame God for sin.
Reformed1689
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My doctrine comes from Scripture.
if one does not believe in free will or the ability to make choices, then one has to conclude , God make decisions for us and since we sin, the decision must come from God.
I understand your use of a different definition of free will than most Calvinists suggest you do not believe this way, good for you.
Predestination (unconditional election) does not come from scripture, Limited atonement does not come from scripture. Irresistible Grace does not come from scripture.
They are mans attempt to explain God's methods, We do not even accept who we are and our situation. How can we explain God's way
Readings from the Calvinist's dictionary:
Adam's Sin: 1. Something that God either caused to happen or allowed to happen to bring him glory.
2. The only instance of free will recorded in the Bible.
God's permissive will: Stuff that God makes happen by allowing it to happen and/or doesn't stop it from happening.
God's decretive will: Stuff that God makes happen. (if hyper-Calvinist see: Adam's sin.)
God’s secret will: To save a few and reprobate the rest (secret to Arminians but not to us.)
God’s revealed will: a mystery
Adam's Sin: 1. Something that God either caused to happen or allowed to happen to bring him glory.
2. The only instance of free will recorded in the Bible.
God's permissive will: Stuff that God makes happen by allowing it to happen and/or doesn't stop it from happening.
God's decretive will: Stuff that God makes happen. (if hyper-Calvinist see: Adam's sin.)
God’s secret will: To save a few and reprobate the rest (secret to Arminians but not to us.)
God’s revealed will: a mystery
Reformed1689
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All of those can be found in the book of John alone, not to mention the rest of the Scriptures.
Not even sure what you think you mean here.
Always amusing when Calvinist-haters try to (wrongly) explain Calvinist theology or twist it and mislead people about our position. It's pretty dishonest.
The prophet Isaiah told Hezekiah that he would die very soon and then God added fifteen years to Hezekiah's life because Hezekiah had prayed and appealed to God. The Lord told Isaiah to tell Hezekiah he was basically a dead man walking and then next thing you know he lives another 15 years. Like that?
Isaiah 38:1-6
no, David you do not know what you are
I think it is regional in your area.
Reformed1689
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I know exactly what I believe and where my doctrinal camp falls. It's not regional to my area, what do you even mean by that statement?
Reformed1689
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Oh brother, I'm not going to go searching. If you want to point something out you find it.
God also told Abraham, “Now I know that you will not withhold anything from Me.” Did He not truly know Abraham would be willing to sacrifice Isaac until he drew back the knife?
Not the same thing.
God told Isaiah to tell Hezekiah he was going to die, very soon. We can only speculate as to whether or not Isaiah "saw" this was going to happen, but assuredly Isaiah was convinced it was going to happen. And then it didn't.
In your example you say if you saw a bus crash 500 years in the future and since you saw that, It MUST happen. I'm saying no, it's not necessarily going to pan out that way and I'm using Isaiah and Hezekiah as my example.
Reformed1689
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So Isaiah is equivalent to God?
My bus crash analogy was that if God saw something was going to happen, it will happen. I know that analogy was lame, but was using that to further the discussion.
The default position to free will beliefs(Arminianism/non-Calvinism) is open theism.So Isaiah is equivalent to God?
Let's explore this analogy.
Did God cause the bus crash?
Did God allow it to happen?
Why is it wrong for Arminians to say God predestined those to salvation that he saw were going to believe in him?
For those God foreknew he also predestined... Romans 8:29
So Isaiah is equivalent to God?
No, and neither is SovereignGrace in the his example of seeing a bus crash 500 years in the future.
And I'd rather you didn't put words in my mouth. (I know how much you like it yourself.)
<copies and pastes with slight edit a post made upstream just a few posts.>
Always amusing when non-Calvinist-haters try to (wrongly) explain non-Calvinist theology or twist it and mislead people about our position. It's pretty dishonest.
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