Sheep or Goat?

I don't agree with you.

 

I can find a verse that says that a lost person can be saved:

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

No. We actually see sheep and goats mentioned in Matthew 25:31-33 which reads, " 31 But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left." While Jesus is speaking of the nations in verse 32, He becomes more specific in verse 34 when he addresses individuals ("those on His right").

 

church mouse guy, I was led to believe God knows every soul at/from conception, whether sheep or goats.

However, Mathew 7:23 disproves that belief:
Mat 7:23 KJV - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I conclude that those He never knew are the goats.

What say you?

 

Hell was made for Satan and the fallen angels and not for man. However, some people choose hell and a God of Love allows them to choose what they want. Hell was enlarged because of drunkenness once. Isaiah 5:11-14 (KJV) Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, [that] they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, [till] wine inflame them! And the harp, and the viol, the tabret, and pipe, and wine, are in their feasts: but they regard not the work of the LORD, neither consider the operation of his hands. Therefore my people are gone into captivity, because [they have] no knowledge: and their honourable men [are] famished, and their multitude dried up with thirst. Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

 

I believe Matthew 25:31-46 is about the judgment, the final judgment before the eternal state.

 

Lets see, God does not really desire that all men be saved, nope, only the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Note Matthew 10:6 does not say "His lost sheep." And God's plan was not first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. Nope. John 3:16 does not say everyone believing, it really means only those God enables to believe.

Are the lost ever said to be goats? Nope. Jesus is said to separate the lost from the saved as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.

On and on it seems, the bible is misrepresented to push a man-made doctrine.

 

So a goat in one passage may not be used as the same image in another passage. Good, you seem to get it.

"Of my sheep" does not equal either "My sheep" or "the sheep."

"Of my sheep" refers to unsaved people who are open and receptive to God"s word.
"My sheep" refers to those who were "of My sheep" that God has transferred into Christ.
"The sheep" usually refers to mankind, as in all have gone astray like sheep without a shepherd.

(Now in John 10:3-4, we see "the sheep" used to refer to those who hear and follow Him, but in the other verses, the sheep refers to all mankind such as in John 10:15.)