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Does God have a free will?

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 1689Dave, Dec 20, 2019.

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  1. Particular

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    Then the God of the Bible is your devil. I shudder at what that means.
     
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    Determinism demands it. You believe God controls everything don't you?
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    Of course I believe God is in complete control over his creation.
     
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    The problem with the questioning appears to be in the definition of will itself. God is different from man in that He can not only desire to do something, but also has the power to carry out that desire in toto. That desire is called will, and God does indeed have such a free will.

    God can desire to do something in general and also to decide to fulfill it specifically, to choose from an untold number of ways what to actually do. That choosing is also indicative of a free will. The carrying out of that will is not the will itself. The will to do something is not the same as the doing of that something.

    In short, willing and doing are separate functions.
     
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    But nature determines will. Can a dog will to be a cat?
     
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    Amen! Or as John Wesley responded to this type of blasphemous Determinist doctrine, "it represents the most holy God as worse than the devil".
     
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    The Bible represents God as worse than the devil?
     
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    Don't lie!

    Question beggar...
     
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    Well, I suppose I'm willing to listen to your expertise on the dog mind, but understand, it would be with considerable skepticism. For all I know, a dog might want to be a cat, or at least to have a similar wherewithal to chase it up its escape tree.
     
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    God says your view is wrong. I was ordained to let you know.

    Merry Christmas! xD
     
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    I'm looking for the passage where God says "Humans control their own destiny. I just sit back and watch."
     
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    #4

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  13. Particular

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    Where is that passage from ITL? Is that an apocryphal book?
     
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    Sheesh, get with it.

    #4: You believe this (insert strawman argument here.)

    No one believes what you are asserting. Hence, strawman.

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    I have no idea what you are talking about. Is this one of the crutches you have built for yourself so you can ignore what the Bible says?
     
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    Looking up logical fallacies, "strawman fallacy" and "question begging fallacy" might help. [​IMG]
     
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    Nope. Stop using silly numbering as a crutch for no argument.
     
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    Actually, its a time saver for your stereotypical fallacies, who can blame ITL for that?
     
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    It is a crutch to ignore what the Bible says. I blame the person who ignores what the Bible says.
     
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    I'm looking for the passage that says all that man does is controlled by God. Bet you can't find it either.
    MB
     
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