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Does God have a free will?

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MB

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Particular said:
God said "yes" to the things that Jeffrey Dahmer did. Romans 1 makes this clear.

Romans 1:24,26,28-31 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.
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Determinism demands it. You believe God controls everything don't you?
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1689Dave said:
Does God have a free will? Does he will his attributes? Or do his attributes determine his will?

I believe God does not have a free will. Because He is love. And He is perfect. And any change in his will determined by love and righteousness would be to imperfection.
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The problem with the questioning appears to be in the definition of will itself. God is different from man in that He can not only desire to do something, but also has the power to carry out that desire in toto. That desire is called will, and God does indeed have such a free will.

God can desire to do something in general and also to decide to fulfill it specifically, to choose from an untold number of ways what to actually do. That choosing is also indicative of a free will. The carrying out of that will is not the will itself. The will to do something is not the same as the doing of that something.

In short, willing and doing are separate functions.
 
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RighteousnessTemperance& said:
The problem with the questioning appears to be in the definition of will itself. God is different from man in that He can not only desire to do something, but also has the power to carry out that desire in toto. That desire is called will, and God does indeed have such a free will.

God can desire to do something in general and also to decide to fulfill it specifically, to choose from an untold number of ways what to actually do. That choosing is also indicative of a free will. The carrying out of that will is not the will itself. The will to do something is not the same as the doing of that something.

In short, willing and doing are separate functions.
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But nature determines will. Can a dog will to be a cat?
 
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InTheLight said:
Sheesh, get with it.

#4: You believe this (insert strawman argument here.)

No one believes what you are asserting. Hence, strawman.

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I have no idea what you are talking about. Is this one of the crutches you have built for yourself so you can ignore what the Bible says?
 
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Particular said:
I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Looking up logical fallacies, "strawman fallacy" and "question begging fallacy" might help.
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Particular said:
I'm looking for the passage where God says "Humans control their own destiny. I just sit back and watch."
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I'm looking for the passage that says all that man does is controlled by God. Bet you can't find it either.
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