Featured The P in T.U.L.I.P

From my perspective, you're going round and round Van.
It seems that you are cutting and pasting as you have accused others of doing, but I can't be sure as I am not privy to your thoughts.

Please see your statement above.

As I see it, you're not answering the questions posed to you by someone who has them.
You're simply making "canned" statements and asking the reader to trust your declarations, even if they bring up objections.
Instead of answering those objections from Scripture, you simply revert to the original statement.

In the best interests of being as thorough as possible, I urge you to go beyond your short statements and address the Scriptures that have been posed to you.

 

I asked you to stop copy and pasting non-germane arguments. Are you unaware that when we are placed and sealed in Christ, they we know both the Son and the Father.

This is all they have, misrepresenting one verse while ignoring another.

 

Disparagement and deflection, non-germane references, and reading into scripture what is no where to be found. Calvinism on display. The Law leads some to Christ, thus those under sin have some capacity to seek God and trust Christ. Total Spiritual Inability is a bogus and unbiblical doctrine. Full Stop

 

Yes I am, and I praise God for it.
I also praise Him that I was chosen to be placed in Him from the foundation of the world ( Ephesians 1:4-5 ).

Truly, salvation is all of grace and none of works ( Romans 11:5-6 ).

That was in answer to your statement regarding John 3:19-20, Van.
I gave you another Scripture that disagrees with your statement.

Quite germaine, sir, and no disparagement intended nor do I see anything on the page where I am attacking you personally nor am I ridiculing you.
I am simply asking you for clarification and to address my points.

But, it seems that you are unwilling to do this.

To me, you're avoiding questions again, Van, and simply returning to your original statements rather than to expand upon your assertions when they are questioned.

If you've no wish to engage the Scriptures I have provided, I bid you a good day, sir.

 

Please address the position and not the poster. I demonstrated Matthew 11:27 was non-germane to your bogus assertion.
The TULI of the TULIP have been shown from scripture to be unbiblical and bogus.
The Law could not lead those under sin to Christ if the "T" were true.
People would not be chosen for salvation through faith if the "U" were true.
Christ would not be the ransom for all if the "L" were true.
Men entering the kingdom could not be prevented if the "I" were true.

 

To the OP ( @Barry Johnson ):

Apologies for wandering off-topic.
I believe that this subject has been answered from the side of those who believe in the "P" as asked, and the ones labeled as "Calvinists" have been the most thorough in that answer.
I thank you for the opportunity, despite the rabbit-trail, to respond from my convictions and from what I see and understand of the Scriptures.



May God bless you in your studies and may He always remind you of His goodness and His grace to you through the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work on the cross.

 

Another post seeking to discuss T and U and L and I in a topic dedicated to P. Why not actually discuss the P in TULIP like the Title of the thread and the OP do? Why hijack the topic to spew off-topic hate about anything and everything else?

Are there no other Topics available on:

• Total Inability
• Unconditional Election
  
• Limited Atonement
• Irresistible Grace

that you could have posted on without threadcrapping all over Perseverance of the Saints?

 

Enjoy

 

This is a multi topic thread. I am not a Calvinist, and I believe in P in the TULIP. in short, God keeps saved all whom He saves.

5 point Calvinism as I understand it, does not teach any kind Lorship / subtle works salvation. So what do you mean by Lorship / subtle works salvation? Fphesians 2:8-9.

 

If you take the valid "P" out of the TULIP, you are left with the bogus TULI. So the charge of "hijack" is false, thus disparagement on display. I did present discussion of the P, so again your claim I did not "actually" discuss it is yet another false charge, more disparagement, rather than a discussion on your part of the P. Folks, see Posts #24, 27, 29, etc.

Then you sink to vulgarity, which says more about you than about the P.

 

Once again we get the usual, off the shelf Calvinist absurdity, which no one should enjoy. Adoption does not refer to being saved, but rather to our bodily redemption at Christ's second coming. 1 Timothy 2:4 means what it says. It does not say God desires all men to be saved by compulsion, again the Calvinist absurdity. Rather we are to be saved according to God's redemption plan, such that everyone believing into Christ shall not perish but have eternal life.

 

If God really wanted all men to be redeemed, they would be.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 King James Version (KJV)

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

God chooses.

Romans 8:26-30

The golden chain of redemption


28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.