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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Barry Johnson, Jul 31, 2020.

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    1689Dave Well-Known Member

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    You are off track and need to go back over scripture.
     
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    Christ removed the unbelievers and added believing Gentiles in their place when he abolished circumcision on the cross.
     
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    Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Hebrews 11 lists many OT believers because they had faith = were born again.

    Paul says the broken off remain under God's wrath until the end. We preach the gospel to the gentiles until the end. Hint, the broken off Jews became gentiles by default. Circumcision made one a Jew, and Christ abolished it on the cross.
     
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    Abolished circumcision on the cross ? which verse ?
     
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    I have a verse which says he abolished the handwriting of ordinances that were against us .
     
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    He replaced the Old Covenant (circumcision etc.) with the New Covenant = a sin to return to the Law.
     
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    In context the faith ( fruit faith ) has nothing to do with the type sinners use. its an extra measure of Faith .
     
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    Sinner's faith tends to idol worship not being able to grasp spiritual truth. Many false believers today.
     
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    Not able to believe the Gospel is found no where .
     
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    13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
    14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; col 2
    more precisely everyone is able to be saved because there is no longer an enmity.
     
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    "us" = the saved.
     
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    “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14 (NCPB)
     
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    try that in the same setting Paul is speaking without using the word ' us ' and make sense of it . Your reaching with that one lol
     
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    When did he do the blotting out ? it wasn't when ' us ' was saved 2000 years later.
     
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    Thats a believer. ' Natural/ Carnal / babes.
     
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    Believers are not natural people after the new birth.
     
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    On the cross.
     
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    Quote the verse and point out the problem.
     
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    13And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
    14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
    15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
    16¶Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
    17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
    How are you not commiting the negative inference fallacy?
     
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    Explain your point, I don't get it.
     
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