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Did Jesus die for the sin of unbelief?

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1689Dave

1689Dave

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Barry Johnson said:
replacement theology ? Ok Israel messed up but not beyond recovery . Too many verses to state here . No one was ' born again in the OT that only happens after the resurrection. We are not Israel as Romans 11 clearly shows we are ' grafted ' in and only because of their temporary unbelief .
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You are off track and need to go back over scripture.
 
1689Dave

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Sai said:
During which time there were virtually literally no saved Gentiles. Don’t get it twisted
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Christ removed the unbelievers and added believing Gentiles in their place when he abolished circumcision on the cross.
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Barry Johnson said:
replacement theology ? Ok Israel messed up but not beyond recovery . Too many verses to state here . No one was ' born again in the OT that only happens after the resurrection. We are not Israel as Romans 11 clearly shows we are ' grafted ' in and only because of their temporary unbelief .
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Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Hebrews 11 lists many OT believers because they had faith = were born again.

Paul says the broken off remain under God's wrath until the end. We preach the gospel to the gentiles until the end. Hint, the broken off Jews became gentiles by default. Circumcision made one a Jew, and Christ abolished it on the cross.
 
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Barry Johnson

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1689Dave said:
Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Hebrews 11 lists many OT believers because they had faith = were born again.

Paul says the broken off remain under God's wrath until the end. We preach the gospel to the gentiles until the end. Hint, the broken off Jews became gentiles by default. Circumcision made one a Jew, and Christ abolished it on the cross.
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In context the faith ( fruit faith ) has nothing to do with the type sinners use. its an extra measure of Faith .
 
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Barry Johnson

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1689Dave said:
Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Hebrews 11 lists many OT believers because they had faith = were born again.

Paul says the broken off remain under God's wrath until the end. We preach the gospel to the gentiles until the end. Hint, the broken off Jews became gentiles by default. Circumcision made one a Jew, and Christ abolished it on the cross.
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1689Dave said:
Sinner's faith tends to idol worship not being able to grasp spiritual truth. Many false believers today.
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Not able to believe the Gospel is found no where .
 
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Barry Johnson

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1689Dave said:
He replaced the Old Covenant (circumcision etc.) with the New Covenant = a sin to return to the Law.
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13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; col 2
more precisely everyone is able to be saved because there is no longer an enmity.
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Barry Johnson said:
13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; col 2
more precisely everyone is able to be saved because there is no longer an enmity.
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"us" = the saved.
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Barry Johnson said:
Not able to believe the Gospel is found no where .
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“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14 (NCPB)
 
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Barry Johnson

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1689Dave said:
Quote the verse and point out the problem.
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13And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16¶Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
How are you not commiting the negative inference fallacy?
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Barry Johnson said:
13And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16¶Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
How are you not commiting the negative inference fallacy?
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Explain your point, I don't get it.
 
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