Featured How Did John Piper Become A Calvinist?

Note the long copy and paste post of the non-germane. Humans do not save themselves and this is not in dispute. The Calvinists bring it up as a strawman deflection knowing they post for the purpose of dragging a red herring across the discussion.

 

Romans 9:16 demonstrates some of the fallen will to be saved to no avail and some strive to be saved to no avail. Thus Romans 9:16 proves the "total spiritual inability" of Calvinism is false doctrine. This is the truth so desperately being hidden by smokescreed.

 

Indeed! And don't forget Ezra 7:13 tsk tsk tsk

 

Yup, except only God's CHOSEN PEOPLE can make a Freewill Offering to the LORD, all others cannot even enter the court to see the offering being made. Just like the Doctrines of Grace affirm.

 

1) You had to change chosen us in him before the foundation of the world to chosen us [to be] in him before the foundation of the world

Inspiration does not always follow the same set of tracks.

Clarification, Variations in expression, Commentary, and emphasis are not indictments for having to change the words on the page. The words remain with better understanding.


2) You did not believe "the words on the page" when shown verses that said that people were saved by faith, not just through

don't base your "salvation" and Eternal Destiny on prepositions.


3) You can't believe that God so loved the world is...the world...you know, "the words on the page".

"love not the world"


4) you do not believe that slain from the foundation of the world means the Lamb was actually slain back then, though you do believe that chosen in him before the foundation of the world means we were actually chosen back then...you know..."words on the page"...

"as" indicates a simile.

While you are keeping score, investigate the Spiritual Reality of the sin that condemns the lost.

 

You do realize that most of the individuals that made up Israel and were offering those freewill offerings were also rebellious, hard-hearted, religious yet unjust men, reprobate silver, right?

 

You violate the grammar here, salvation continues to be to the Jew first or it no longer remains the power of God unto salvation.

 

He was predestinated to become one, evidently

 

God's Saved children WERE NOT BOUND TO GO.

"...this decree did not oblige them to go whether they would or not; for they might, notwithstanding this, continue if they pleased; it only gave them leave to make use of the present opportunity of going along with Ezra, if they chose it. ~ Gill

What a big deal!!

Then, we have individuals trusting their soul to God's people making a love offering or being given latitude in a Decree.

How?

By saying 'those words' have something to do with their Eternal Life?

whew.

 

You avoided my question and are deliberately dragging me into a tangental topic. Why is that?

• To reiterate:
  
• "I do not begin any effort to share the 'good news' with the fact that Salvation was offered to the Jews first and is only now available to non-Jews."
• Is that a significant point in YOUR evangelization efforts?

To clarify, the this discussion started with ... Why do Calvinists not emphasize Act 13:46 Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the Gentiles." and teach that God does not judge, but men judge themselves unworthy of eternal life. So you are dragging me rather far from my original answer to this simple question, ignoring my questions, and I have no idea what you hope to accomplish. Preaching to a Jew is not a prerequisite for my sharing the gospel with a non-Jew.

 

Please share your thoughts concerning the limitations that the sin nature puts on free will and documentation to support your views.

Who was the first created being to invoke his will?

 

Adam sinned.

 

Hunh?

 

How old are you?

 

Lucifer was the first created being to invoke his will. Therefore I, in agreement with Martin Luther, Charles Spurgeon and many other theologians, conclude that the doctrine of free will is a lie of Satan.

It has been my observation that professing Christians who believe they have free will ignorantly attribute it to God.

[Isa 14:12-14 KJV] 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.


Luther:
"https://archive.org/stream/martinlutheronth00luthuoft/martinlutheronth00luthuoft_djvu.txt

Spurgeon:
The Spurgeon Center