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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Scarlett O., May 8, 2021.

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    You are a little free with false accusations against other Christians. You should work on that.
    (I know, I struggle with getting annoyed and making rude responses.)
     
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    so you think that David, after he was told that his son had died, took bath, anointed himself, changed his clothes, because he was going to join his son in the GRAVE??? I SHALL GO TO HIM, can only mean HEAVEN, unless you think that David will be in hell? WHAT real HOPE is there for the saved ending up in the GRAVE? David's actions were that of HOPE, and COMFORT, as he was no longer in MOURING! Hope you can grasp this?
     
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    nothing to work on, when these "teachings" are NOT from the Bible, and therefore LIES from the devil. As is the L in TULIP, for example!
     
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    As fine a piece of esigesis as was ever posted ... you don't need no stinkin' scripture to tell you what God really meant to say. :Rolleyes
     
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    Psalm 16:9-11, David:

    No wonder my heart is glad, and I rejoice. My body rests in safety. For you will not leave my soul among the dead or allow your holy one to rot in the grave. You will show me the way of life, granting me the joy of your presence and the pleasures of living with you forever.
     
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    Non sequitur.
     
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    Matthew Poole Commentary:

    Wherefore should I fast, seeing fasting and prayer cannot now prevail with God for his life?

    I shall go to him; into the state of the dead, in which he is, and into heaven, where I doubt not I shall find him.
     
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    Psalm 51:5, David:

    Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
    And in sin my mother conceived me.
     
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    We must not forget the case of David. His child by Bathsheba was to die as a punishment for the father's offence. David prayed and fasted and vexed his soul, but at last they told him the child was dead. He fasted no more, but he said, 'I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.'

    Now, where did David expect to go to? Why, to Heaven surely. Then his child must have been there, for he said, 'I shall go to him.' I do not hear him say the same of Absalom. He did not stand over his corpse and say, 'I shall go to him.' He had no hope for that rebellious son. Over this child it was not – 'O my son!…would God I had died for thee!' No, he could let this babe go with perfect confidence, for he said, 'I shall go to him.'

    Infant Salvation | Spurgeon | Are infants Saved? - Metropolitan Tabernacle
     
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    What has this got to do with David joining his son in heaven after he died? :eek:
     
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    "and into heaven, where I doubt not I shall find him" = not included in the scripture; the definition of esigesis.
     
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    Nothing, just like your quote.
    I thought you just wanted to exchange quotes from Psalms. :Tongue
     
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    Matthew Henry

    shall go to him. First, To him to the grave. Note, The consideration of our own death should moderate our sorrow at the death of our relations. It is the common lot; instead of mourning for their death, we should think of our own: and, whatever loss we have of them now, we shall die shortly, and go to them. Secondly, To him to heaven, to a state of blessedness, which even the Old Testament saints had some expectation of.
     
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    This is an interesting thread because it provides an exhaustive list of Calvinists, whether self proclaimed or not.
     
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    have you read the comments from Poole, Spurgeon, and Henry? You might learn a thing or two if you have a teachable mind!
     
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    Lots of people believe infants go to heaven. I even believe it. That does not mean that the brief quote from David about joining his dead son who will not come back to life is about children going to heaven. It is about the certainty that everyone dies.
     
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    now what are you on about? :Geek
     
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    fine, believe what you like!
     
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    I prefer to believe what Scripture actually says.
     
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    One question. Are you from the reformed camp
     
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