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A question only for the reformed, please.

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SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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atpollard said:
Let's try ACTUALLY READING WHAT IT SAYS:

2 Samuel 12:16-23 [NKJV]
16 David therefore pleaded with God for the child, and David fasted and went in and lay all night on the ground. 17 So the elders of his house arose and went to him, to raise him up from the ground. But he would not, nor did he eat food with them. 18 Then on the seventh day it came to pass that the child died. And the servants of David were afraid to tell him that the child was dead. For they said, "Indeed, while the child was alive, we spoke to him, and he would not heed our voice. How can we tell him that the child is dead? He may do some harm!"

19 When David saw that his servants were whispering, David perceived that the child was dead. Therefore David said to his servants, "Is the child dead?" And they said, "He is dead."

20 So David arose from the ground, washed and anointed himself, and changed his clothes; and he went into the house of the LORD and worshiped. Then he went to his own house; and when he requested, they set food before him, and he ate. 21 Then his servants said to him, "What is this that you have done? You fasted and wept for the child while he was alive, but when the child died, you arose and ate food."

22 And he said, "While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, 'Who can tell whether the LORD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?' 23 "But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."
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So as you say:
"What are YOU on about?"
Where does it mention David taking any comfort anywhere in this scripture?
Where does David speak of any future "HOPE"?
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so you think that David, after he was told that his son had died, took bath, anointed himself, changed his clothes, because he was going to join his son in the GRAVE??? I SHALL GO TO HIM, can only mean HEAVEN, unless you think that David will be in hell? WHAT real HOPE is there for the saved ending up in the GRAVE? David's actions were that of HOPE, and COMFORT, as he was no longer in MOURING! Hope you can grasp this?
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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atpollard said:
You are a little free with false accusations against other Christians. You should work on that.
(I know, I struggle with getting annoyed and making rude responses.)
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nothing to work on, when these "teachings" are NOT from the Bible, and therefore LIES from the devil. As is the L in TULIP, for example!
 
atpollard

atpollard

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SavedByGrace said:
so you think that David, after he was told that his son had died, took bath, anointed himself, changed his clothes, because he was going to join his son in the GRAVE??? I SHALL GO TO HIM, can only mean HEAVEN, unless you think that David will be in hell? WHAT real HOPE is there for the saved ending up in the GRAVE? David's actions were that of HOPE, and COMFORT, as he was no longer in MOURING! Hope you can grasp this?
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As fine a piece of esigesis as was ever posted ... you don't need no stinkin' scripture to tell you what God really meant to say. :Rolleyes
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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atpollard said:
Let's try ACTUALLY READING WHAT IT SAYS:

2 Samuel 12:16-23 [NKJV]
16 David therefore pleaded with God for the child, and David fasted and went in and lay all night on the ground. 17 So the elders of his house arose and went to him, to raise him up from the ground. But he would not, nor did he eat food with them. 18 Then on the seventh day it came to pass that the child died. And the servants of David were afraid to tell him that the child was dead. For they said, "Indeed, while the child was alive, we spoke to him, and he would not heed our voice. How can we tell him that the child is dead? He may do some harm!"

19 When David saw that his servants were whispering, David perceived that the child was dead. Therefore David said to his servants, "Is the child dead?" And they said, "He is dead."

20 So David arose from the ground, washed and anointed himself, and changed his clothes; and he went into the house of the LORD and worshiped. Then he went to his own house; and when he requested, they set food before him, and he ate. 21 Then his servants said to him, "What is this that you have done? You fasted and wept for the child while he was alive, but when the child died, you arose and ate food."

22 And he said, "While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, 'Who can tell whether the LORD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?' 23 "But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me."
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So as you say:
"What are YOU on about?"
Where does it mention David taking any comfort anywhere in this scripture?
Where does David speak of any future "HOPE"?
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Psalm 16:9-11, David:

No wonder my heart is glad, and I rejoice. My body rests in safety. For you will not leave my soul among the dead or allow your holy one to rot in the grave. You will show me the way of life, granting me the joy of your presence and the pleasures of living with you forever.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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atpollard said:
As fine a piece of esigesis as was ever posted ... you don't need no stinkin' scripture to tell you what God really meant to say. :Rolleyes
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Matthew Poole Commentary:

Wherefore should I fast, seeing fasting and prayer cannot now prevail with God for his life?

I shall go to him; into the state of the dead, in which he is, and into heaven, where I doubt not I shall find him.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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atpollard said:
As fine a piece of esigesis as was ever posted ... you don't need no stinkin' scripture to tell you what God really meant to say. :Rolleyes
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Charles Spurgeon

We must not forget the case of David. His child by Bathsheba was to die as a punishment for the father's offence. David prayed and fasted and vexed his soul, but at last they told him the child was dead. He fasted no more, but he said, 'I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.'

Now, where did David expect to go to? Why, to Heaven surely. Then his child must have been there, for he said, 'I shall go to him.' I do not hear him say the same of Absalom. He did not stand over his corpse and say, 'I shall go to him.' He had no hope for that rebellious son. Over this child it was not – 'O my son!…would God I had died for thee!' No, he could let this babe go with perfect confidence, for he said, 'I shall go to him.'

Infant Salvation | Spurgeon | Are infants Saved? - Metropolitan Tabernacle
 
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atpollard

atpollard

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SavedByGrace said:
Matthew Poole Commentary:

Wherefore should I fast, seeing fasting and prayer cannot now prevail with God for his life?

I shall go to him; into the state of the dead, in which he is, and into heaven, where I doubt not I shall find him.
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"and into heaven, where I doubt not I shall find him" = not included in the scripture; the definition of esigesis.
 
SavedByGrace

SavedByGrace

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atpollard said:
As fine a piece of esigesis as was ever posted ... you don't need no stinkin' scripture to tell you what God really meant to say. :Rolleyes
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Matthew Henry

shall go to him. First, To him to the grave. Note, The consideration of our own death should moderate our sorrow at the death of our relations. It is the common lot; instead of mourning for their death, we should think of our own: and, whatever loss we have of them now, we shall die shortly, and go to them. Secondly, To him to heaven, to a state of blessedness, which even the Old Testament saints had some expectation of.
 
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This is an interesting thread because it provides an exhaustive list of Calvinists, whether self proclaimed or not.
 
atpollard

atpollard

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SavedByGrace said:
Charles Spurgeon

We must not forget the case of David. His child by Bathsheba was to die as a punishment for the father's offence. David prayed and fasted and vexed his soul, but at last they told him the child was dead. He fasted no more, but he said, 'I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.'

Now, where did David expect to go to? Why, to Heaven surely. Then his child must have been there, for he said, 'I shall go to him.' I do not hear him say the same of Absalom. He did not stand over his corpse and say, 'I shall go to him.' He had no hope for that rebellious son. Over this child it was not – 'O my son!…would God I had died for thee!' No, he could let this babe go with perfect confidence, for he said, 'I shall go to him.'

Infant Salvation | Spurgeon | Are infants Saved? - Metropolitan Tabernacle
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Lots of people believe infants go to heaven. I even believe it. That does not mean that the brief quote from David about joining his dead son who will not come back to life is about children going to heaven. It is about the certainty that everyone dies.
 
SavedByGrace

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atpollard said:
Lots of people believe infants go to heaven. I even believe it. That does not mean that the brief quote from David about joining his dead son who will not come back to life is about children going to heaven. It is about the certainty that everyone dies.
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fine, believe what you like!
 
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