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Featured The "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie" used by KJVOs is false.

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    No, it's in reference to David & his followers while they were fleeing from Saul & his army. They didn't know where they'd sleep, seek shelter from the weather, or get their next meal from day to day.

    He caused David to write it & to become Scripture for a reason.

    Not a bit. I likely know ancient history better than you & have had my nose in Scripture for over 40 years.

    [/quote]You do not believe in the words and trying to convince you of anything with words is going to be difficult, if not impossible.[/QUOTE]
    'WAY ahead of you.Scripture is largely-literal. And, as has been stated earlier, not everything a prophet wrote or was quoted from a prophet that became Scripture is prophecy.

    And we know God kept David & Co. safe from Saul's army.
     
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    That's just more KJVO hooey. A close reading of those verses shows David was COMPARING God's words in purity to 7-times-refined silver, the purest physical thimng known to Dave & Co. in that day. Several rabbis have told me that 7-times-refined silver was the standard of the silver used for the Tabernacle/temple tools.

    Now, WHERE DOES PSALM 12 MENTION THE KJV OR ANY BIBLE TRANSLATION WHATSOEVER??????????????????
     
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    Written after the pursuit of David & Co. by Saul was over. David was recalling their persecution & God's care of them while it lasted & stating he was gonna thank God more for that, as well as keep some vows he'd made during that time.
     
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    Where is it in the bible?
     
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    Not true. The scriptures are not about David and what happened between he and Saul 3000 years ago does not impact history today. The Psalms are about Jesus Christ, Israel, the Kingdom of God and the righteous rule of Christ over the nations after he has purged the world of all rebels, large and small.

    The Psalms and the poetical books does not just give us the facts but also the emotions of those who are involved.

    Some of these events prefigure as types of the final showdown between God and the devil but be sure one can get a panoramic view of end time events through these Psalms. It is the way of God to show himself and his will in this manner. God always, always, prefigures his spiritual intentions in the physical and spiritual truth is learned first through the physical. One is a shadow of the other. If you do not learn that then you cannot know the word of God.

    Psa 115:15 Ye are blessed of the Lord which made heaven and earth.
    16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
     
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    Leviticus 18:6 ‘None of you shall approach anyone who is near of kin to him, to uncover his nakedness: I am the Lord. 7 The nakedness of your father or the nakedness of your mother you shall not uncover. She is your mother; you shall not uncover her nakedness. 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. 9 The nakedness of your sister, the daughter of your father, or the daughter of your mother, whether born at home or elsewhere, their nakedness you shall not uncover.

    Lev. 20:7 ‘If a man takes his sister, his father’s daughter or his mother’s daughter, and sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a wicked thing. And they shall be cut off in the sight of their people. He has uncovered his sister’s nakedness. He shall bear his guilt.

    (Remember what "uncover or see his/her nakedness" meant.)[/COLOR]
     
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    We can only wish.
    Don't need a hint. God made two people. Everybody else came from those two. Anything else is man-made-up denial of the truth of creation.
    It appears that over the course of your discussing this, folks have offered several alternatives. Since you are happy with your man-made Ford Corvette, you have paid little attention to them.

    The real point of all this is that you are quite happy to condemn others who are content with what you can man-made doctrine, with no introspection that you cannot prove a number of things you assert. Maybe your contentment with your own man-made doctrine ought to alter how you speak to others about theirs.
     
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    Look! this is the truth whether it is in Gen or Rev. It is important to know these things. I am going to give you one verse without commentary. Psalm 12 would be more clear if you knew this principle.

    Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
     
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    No, the Psalms are about some of David's experiences from the time after he whacked Goliath til after he became king, as well as praising God.
     
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    There are many things that David wrote about in the Psalms that he never experienced, like broken bones in Psa 51 and death on the cross in Psalm 22. I am becoming convinced that you know little about your subjects and cannot be taught anything.
     
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    You're trying to make Scripture contradict Scripture. God's prohibition of incest is strong; we see the earthly effects of it in hemophilia, birth defects, etc. I don't know where Cain's wife came from any more than you do, but it was not his sister.



    I didn't make the doctrine up. And I know what Scripture says. While Scripture is centered upon the Israelis, both the USA and Britain have been very-much-involved in their history from the time Jews first settled in the British Isles til the British began to colonize. And the USA still has about as many Jews as Israel does, & has more Jews in its govt. than any other nation. (Just look at a list of Jewish US Congresspeople!) The evidence is right in front of us !

    The purpose of all this is to cause people to study Scripture & history so they will believe it. Seeing prophecies fulfilled is strong incentive for belief.
     
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    There hadn't been any law given from God when Reuben lay with Bilhah.
     
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    Then use this verse.

    Romans 3:20
    Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
     
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    I never said NONE of the Psalms contained prophecy.(We're all familiar with "The Lord said to my Lord..." But Ps. 12 doesn't.

    And in Ps. 51, we don't know whose bones were broken. Jesus had none, remember.
     
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    According to you, which one?
     
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    Well, both Jacob & Reuben knew Reuben's affair with Bilhah was sinful, as is evident in Scripture, as well as Cain's murder of Abel. So, evidently, God gave man the laws of conduct from the gitgo, even though they weren't yet written. What he gave to Moses was a re-iteration of old laws, plus new ones He added, some for just Israel, such as passover & of the priesthood. No contradiction of Romans 3:20 there.
     
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    Jer 50:17 Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.

    The Psalms are prophecies.
     
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    There are prophecies in The Psalms. Not all Psalms are prophecies. Was Moses a Prophet? All his writings prophecy?
     
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    Not ALL of them are. And you're avoiding the fact that Ps. 12 is not. And even if it were...even if Ps. 12:7 was a prophecy about the preservation of God's words...WHERE DOES IT MENTION THE KJV OR ANY OTHER BIBLE TRANSLATION???????????????????????????????????????
     
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    The contradiction is an imaginary one in your mind. There is no prohibition of incest until the law of Moses, and there is complete biblical clarity that God only created two people and that all of the humans descended from them. If you have a scripture for God creating more humans besides Adam & Eve, please give it. If not, you have created a man-made doctrine to ease your personal sensibilities.
    Equivocation plain and simple. I know it is hard to admit you have your own man-made doctrines when you make a hobby-horse of accusing other people of that.
     
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