The "Psalm 12:6-7 thingie" used by KJVOs is false.

[robycop3]

It is about both and I will prove it scripturally when I get time.The word of God is and has been tried and perseveres and the people of God, who in this case in Psa 12 is the remnant of Israel in the tribulation.

No, it's in reference to David & his followers while they were fleeing from Saul & his army. They didn't know where they'd sleep, seek shelter from the weather, or get their next meal from day to day.

You are believing only in the message of God,

He caused David to write it & to become Scripture for a reason.

and you have that wrong.

Not a bit. I likely know ancient history better than you & have had my nose in Scripture for over 40 years.

[/quote]You do not believe in the words and trying to convince you of anything with words is going to be difficult, if not impossible.[/QUOTE]
'WAY ahead of you.Scripture is largely-literal. And, as has been stated earlier, not everything a prophet wrote or was quoted from a prophet that became Scripture is prophecy.

And we know God kept David & Co. safe from Saul's army.

 

[robycop3]

As I understand it, the 7 times according to kjvo purists refers to previous English versions ending with the KJV. The "perfect" Kjv being the 1905 Cambridge version, at least by some of them.

That's just more KJVO hooey. A close reading of those verses shows David was COMPARING God's words in purity to 7-times-refined silver, the purest physical thimng known to Dave & Co. in that day. Several rabbis have told me that 7-times-refined silver was the standard of the silver used for the Tabernacle/temple tools.

Now, WHERE DOES PSALM 12 MENTION THE KJV OR ANY BIBLE TRANSLATION WHATSOEVER??????????????????

 

[robycop3]

A person cannot try the word of God until he himself is tried by the word of God. God makes promises. We receive them but we are tried by them when we obey them by faith. Following is an example. If one remembers God had said he was going to raise up a great nation through the son of Abraham and Sarah. They were past child bearing years when the miracle occurred and Isaac was born. A few years later God told Abraham to offer Isaac as a sacrifice in spite of the fact that he knew the promise of God through this son. Could it be accomplished if he obeyed God. The human answer is no but God was trying Abraham and God knew what he would do. Abraham did not.

So, there was a double trial going on when Abraham offered Isaac and this is what is said about him.

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
19 Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.

Psa 105:17 He sent a man before them, even Joseph, who was sold for a servant:
18 Whose feet they hurt with fetters: he was laid in iron:
19 Until the time that his word came: the word of the Lord tried him.
20 The king sent and loosed him; even the ruler of the people, and let him go free.

Here is a psalm with the exact same time frame as Psa 12.

Psa 66:8 O bless our God, ye people, (Israel remnant) and make the voice of his praise to be heard:
9 Which holdeth our soul in life, and suffereth not our feet to be moved.

10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou hast tried us, as silver is tried. (we know it is seven times from Psalm 12 and the Revelation)
11 Thou broughtest us into the net; thou laidst affliction upon our loins.

12 Thou hast caused men to ride over our heads; we went through fire and through water: but thou broughtest us out into a wealthy place.
13 I will go into thy house with burnt offerings: I will pay thee my vows,
14 Which my lips have uttered, and my mouth hath spoken, when I was in trouble.

2 Sam 22:31 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the Lord is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.

Psalm 12 is in the context of the above.

Written after the pursuit of David & Co. by Saul was over. David was recalling their persecution & God's care of them while it lasted & stating he was gonna thank God more for that, as well as keep some vows he'd made during that time.

 

[JD731]

I can only post what's in the Bible. There's clearly a command against incest, which is the best hint for an answer to what's actually an unanswerable question, as there's no Scriptural hint about who Cain's wife was..

Where is it in the bible?

 

[JD731]

Written after the pursuit of David & Co. by Saul was over. David was recalling their persecution & God's care of them while it lasted & stating he was gonna thank God more for that, as well as keep some vows he'd made during that time.

Not true. The scriptures are not about David and what happened between he and Saul 3000 years ago does not impact history today. The Psalms are about Jesus Christ, Israel, the Kingdom of God and the righteous rule of Christ over the nations after he has purged the world of all rebels, large and small.

The Psalms and the poetical books does not just give us the facts but also the emotions of those who are involved.

Some of these events prefigure as types of the final showdown between God and the devil but be sure one can get a panoramic view of end time events through these Psalms. It is the way of God to show himself and his will in this manner. God always, always, prefigures his spiritual intentions in the physical and spiritual truth is learned first through the physical. One is a shadow of the other. If you do not learn that then you cannot know the word of God.

Psa 115:15 Ye are blessed of the Lord which made heaven and earth.
16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

 

[robycop3]

Where is it in the bible?

Leviticus 18:6 ‘None of you shall approach anyone who is near of kin to him, to uncover his nakedness: I am the Lord. 7 The nakedness of your father or the nakedness of your mother you shall not uncover. She is your mother; you shall not uncover her nakedness. 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. 9 The nakedness of your sister, the daughter of your father, or the daughter of your mother, whether born at home or elsewhere, their nakedness you shall not uncover.

Lev. 20:7 ‘If a man takes his sister, his father’s daughter or his mother’s daughter, and sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a wicked thing. And they shall be cut off in the sight of their people. He has uncovered his sister’s nakedness. He shall bear his guilt.

(Remember what "uncover or see his/her nakedness" meant.)[/COLOR]

 

[rlvaughn]

I can only post what's in the Bible.

We can only wish.

There's clearly a command against incest, which is the best hint for an answer to what's actually an unanswerable question, as there's no Scriptural hint about who Cain's wife was.

Don't need a hint. God made two people. Everybody else came from those two. Anything else is man-made-up denial of the truth of creation.

If you have other candidates for this birthright blessing, let's see'em.

It appears that over the course of your discussing this, folks have offered several alternatives. Since you are happy with your man-made Ford Corvette, you have paid little attention to them.

The real point of all this is that you are quite happy to condemn others who are content with what you can man-made doctrine, with no introspection that you cannot prove a number of things you assert. Maybe your contentment with your own man-made doctrine ought to alter how you speak to others about theirs.

 

[JD731]

Leviticus 18:6 ‘None of you shall approach anyone who is near of kin to him, to uncover his nakedness: I am the Lord. 7 The nakedness of your father or the nakedness of your mother you shall not uncover. She is your mother; you shall not uncover her nakedness. 8 The nakedness of your father’s wife you shall not uncover; it is your father’s nakedness. 9 The nakedness of your sister, the daughter of your father, or the daughter of your mother, whether born at home or elsewhere, their nakedness you shall not uncover.

Lev. 20:7 ‘If a man takes his sister, his father’s daughter or his mother’s daughter, and sees her nakedness and she sees his nakedness, it is a wicked thing. And they shall be cut off in the sight of their people. He has uncovered his sister’s nakedness. He shall bear his guilt.

(Remember what "uncover or see his/her nakedness" meant.)[/COLOR]

Look! this is the truth whether it is in Gen or Rev. It is important to know these things. I am going to give you one verse without commentary. Psalm 12 would be more clear if you knew this principle.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

 

[robycop3]

Not true. The scriptures are not about David and what happened between he and Saul 3000 years ago does not impact history today. The Psalms are about Jesus Christ, Israel, the Kingdom of God and the righteous rule of Christ over the nations after he has purged the world of all rebels, large and small.

The Psalms and the poetical books does not just give us the facts but also the emotions of those who are involved.

Some of these events prefigure as types of the final showdown between God and the devil but be sure one can get a panoramic view of end time events through these Psalms. It is the way of God to show himself and his will in this manner. God always, always, prefigures his spiritual intentions in the physical and spiritual truth is learned first through the physical. One is a shadow of the other. If you do not learn that then you cannot know the word of God.

Psa 115:15 Ye are blessed of the Lord which made heaven and earth.
16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

No, the Psalms are about some of David's experiences from the time after he whacked Goliath til after he became king, as well as praising God.

 

[JD731]

No, the Psalms are about some of David's experiences from the time after he whacked Goliath til after he became king, as well as praising God.

There are many things that David wrote about in the Psalms that he never experienced, like broken bones in Psa 51 and death on the cross in Psalm 22. I am becoming convinced that you know little about your subjects and cannot be taught anything.

 

[robycop3]

We can only wish. Don't need a hint. God made two people. Everybody else came from those two. Anything else is man-made-up denial of the truth of creation.

You're trying to make Scripture contradict Scripture. God's prohibition of incest is strong; we see the earthly effects of it in hemophilia, birth defects, etc. I don't know where Cain's wife came from any more than you do, but it was not his sister.

It appears that over the course of your discussing this, folks have offered several alternatives. Since you are happy with your man-made Ford Corvette, you have paid little attention to them.

The real point of all this is that you are quite happy to condemn others who are content with what you can man-made doctrine, with no introspection that you cannot prove a number of things you assert. Maybe your contentment with your own man-made doctrine ought to alter how you speak to others about theirs.

I didn't make the doctrine up. And I know what Scripture says. While Scripture is centered upon the Israelis, both the USA and Britain have been very-much-involved in their history from the time Jews first settled in the British Isles til the British began to colonize. And the USA still has about as many Jews as Israel does, & has more Jews in its govt. than any other nation. (Just look at a list of Jewish US Congresspeople!) The evidence is right in front of us !

The purpose of all this is to cause people to study Scripture & history so they will believe it. Seeing prophecies fulfilled is strong incentive for belief.

 

[robycop3]

Look! this is the truth whether it is in Gen or Rev. It is important to know these things. I am going to give you one verse without commentary. Psalm 12 would be more clear if you knew this principle.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

There hadn't been any law given from God when Reuben lay with Bilhah.

 

[JD731]

There hadn't been any law given from God when Reuben lay with Bilhah.

Then use this verse.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

 

[robycop3]

There are many things that David wrote about in the Psalms that he never experienced, like broken bones in Psa 51 and death on the cross in Psalm 22. I am becoming convinced that you know little about your subjects and cannot be taught anything.

I never said NONE of the Psalms contained prophecy.(We're all familiar with "The Lord said to my Lord..." But Ps. 12 doesn't.

And in Ps. 51, we don't know whose bones were broken. Jesus had none, remember.

 

[Reynolds]

As I understand it, the 7 times according to kjvo purists refers to previous English versions ending with the KJV. The "perfect" Kjv being the 1905 Cambridge version, at least by some of them.

According to you, which one?

 

[robycop3]

Then use this verse.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Well, both Jacob & Reuben knew Reuben's affair with Bilhah was sinful, as is evident in Scripture, as well as Cain's murder of Abel. So, evidently, God gave man the laws of conduct from the gitgo, even though they weren't yet written. What he gave to Moses was a re-iteration of old laws, plus new ones He added, some for just Israel, such as passover & of the priesthood. No contradiction of Romans 3:20 there.

 

[JD731]

I never said NONE of the Psalms contained prophecy.(We're all familiar with "The Lord said to my Lord..." But Ps. 12 doesn't.

And in Ps. 51, we don't know whose bones were broken. Jesus had none, remember.

Jer 50:17 Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.

The Psalms are prophecies.

 

[Reynolds]

Jer 50:17 Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.

The Psalms are prophecies.

There are prophecies in The Psalms. Not all Psalms are prophecies. Was Moses a Prophet? All his writings prophecy?

 

[robycop3]

Jer 50:17 Israel is a scattered sheep; the lions have driven him away: first the king of Assyria hath devoured him; and last this Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon hath broken his bones.

The Psalms are prophecies.

Not ALL of them are. And you're avoiding the fact that Ps. 12 is not. And even if it were...even if Ps. 12:7 was a prophecy about the preservation of God's words...WHERE DOES IT MENTION THE KJV OR ANY OTHER BIBLE TRANSLATION???????????????????????????????????????

 

[rlvaughn]

You're trying to make Scripture contradict Scripture. God's prohibition of incest is strong; we see the earthly effects of it in hemophilia, birth defects, etc. I don't know where Cain's wife came from any more than you do, but it was not his sister.

The contradiction is an imaginary one in your mind. There is no prohibition of incest until the law of Moses, and there is complete biblical clarity that God only created two people and that all of the humans descended from them. If you have a scripture for God creating more humans besides Adam & Eve, please give it. If not, you have created a man-made doctrine to ease your personal sensibilities.

While Scripture is centered upon the Israelis, both the USA and Britain have been very-much-involved in their history from the time Jews first settled in the British Isles til the British began to colonize. And the USA still has about as many Jews as Israel does, & has more Jews in its govt. than any other nation. (Just look at a list of Jewish US Congresspeople!) The evidence is right in front of us !

Equivocation plain and simple. I know it is hard to admit you have your own man-made doctrines when you make a hobby-horse of accusing other people of that.