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Just what you said "I'm a great admirer of John Calvin who, like Martin Luther" If you can not or refuse to see the flaws in these men then you are putting them on a pedestal. The only one that is High and Lifted up is Christ Jesus. All men have their warts and flaws, while some have done or will do great things for the kingdom I do not lift them up. That is just how I see it.

 

I believe that Calvin was wrong for not protesting the execution of Servetus. While he requested a lesser punishment than burning at the stake, he should have opposed his execution altogether.

 

Actually, the “in Christ” motif is a great Bible Study.

I would encourage all who have not studied it to get a concordance and go at it

don’t forget paper and pen for notes

 

As I said just a flawed man. I do disagree with what have become the teachings of Calvinism but that is not because of any feelings toward Calvin. I just view his teachings to be wrong.

 

Silverhair, your initial thought is flawed, therefore you attempt to ride the fence while hoping that no one sees your contradiction. You want to claim works while saying it's not works at the same time.
Your man-centered philosophy is obvious to any observant person.

 

My point is, whether you say declared or made, righteous of justified it is
by blood which I understand to be the obedience unto death even the death of the cross which would equal to the obedience of Rom 19 making or declaring righteous/justified. The same with, "the faith of Jesus Christ," relative to righteous/justified. Faith there is relative to the obedience of Christ not something we are exercising.

IMHO

That makes our righteousness and or our justification, being all of God the Father and the Son then extended to the elect through sanctification of the Spirit.

I believe salvation is all of God.

 

Austin you can not possibly be as thick as you come across. If you can not see the truth in what I have said then you are as lost as a ball in tall grass.

The only thing you see is Calvin he has become the god you worship, and that is really sad. Your lost child your lost.

 

Silverhair, the obstacles you place on God by demanding human will be the supreme authority in salvation is obvious to those who read your posts.

 

Agree.

I'm fond of saying that every man capable of thought has their religion. Even those who claim to be free of religion, but be it money, politics or some social cause, there is a god somewhere that is worshipped.

I'm also fond of saying one can read and even memorize Scripture but that isn't the same thing as believing it and trusting it. Some believe and trust specific passages of Scripture such as John 3:16 but much of the remaining 1100 pages are, in the opinion of some, subject to an outside theological consideration. So I agree, there is a god known as reformed theology.

 

So what?

it is a good Bible Study for anyone who has not done so

 

Seriously

 

Ok Van

let me help you

In Christ

we have been justified

we have been redeemed

we were once dead, but now alive

we are now alive to God

we have now been freed from the law of sin and death

we are now loved of God

made one with other believers

I am sure that you have some kind of problem with my post, so please let us know what is wrong here?

 

Austin I do not demand it God has said we have to make choices and we are held responsible for those choices. God is gracious and wants all to be saved 1Ti_2:3-4 but He does not drag us in to heaven as you would have it {determinism}. So what option is lift, it's called choice Joh 3:16-18. But you do not like that so you through out your false accusations about the way of salvation. Problem, the bible says your wrong but you keep following calvin if it makes you feel better. As they say you have the right to be wrong.

 

There is an observation in scripture that God is a Sovereign God who rules entirely over the affairs of men. There is no observation of co-rulership as free will philosophers promote.

 

Austin

are you really saying that salvation is of the Lord?

 

Shockingly...yes. 100% of God and 0% of man.