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Soteriology 101

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Van, Oct 24, 2021.

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    Van Well-Known Member
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    Idiotic - no one said the wicked seek God, because time after time scripture say the wicked do not seek God.
     
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    The wicked are those who are not regenerate. It's not some ultra evil class in a third category.
     
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    Off topic, Calvinists teach false doctrine concerning Soteriology as clearly presented in this thread. And false doctrine is obviously liberal and has strayed from truth.
     
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    Are you elect Van?
     
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    Once again falsehood is hoisted to hide false doctrine. Did anyone say the wicked were born anew? So obfuscation on display.
    Scripture, not me, says sometimes unregenerate people seek God. See post #29.
     
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    You said the wicked do not seek God. I agree, but most importantly the Scriptures say so. The wicked are unregenerate. Therefore the wicked do not seek God.
     
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    Yet another off topic post addressing the poster and not the position. Violation after violation is the stock and trade of liberals, nothing is sacred.
     
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    Once again an idiotic claim. No one seeks God all the time, so the wicked do not seek God at least some of the time. It is a lock...
     
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    The key to your locked estate is the Bible. You constantly twist the Scripture to conform to your philosophy. But the Word of God says in Romans 12:2 :"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is --his good, pleasing and perfect will."
     
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    I'm just telling you what the verse says. Says nobody seeks God. It does not say Nobody seeks God when sinning. You added that in.
     
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    Ones that have been convicted by the spirit and changed of desire, yes. That does not apply to everyone. Nobody in their natural state seeks God. Nobody. Not you, not me, not Hitler, not bin Laden, not the grocer down the street. Nobody. Why do you deny what Scripture says in that verse?
     
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    Wait does it say by reason? Hmm.... No. It does not.
     
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    @Van you constantly accuse Calvinists of adding to Scripture but in this thread alone you have added to at least two passages of Scripture.
     
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    The Word of God still stands despite your assertions to the contrary.
     
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    Liked, but #5 is wrong in the church age. That's the same as salvation by works.
     
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    I don't watch YouTube can you give me a synopsis?
     
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    Interesting how you add "by reason of" yet no translator states it that way. Why do you keep redefining the word faith? Are you liberal?

    Second, why do you ignore "saved by grace" while clinging to your own rewording of "by reason of" faith?
    Paul lays out how this process of salvation works itself out.
    God makes us alive (apart from our efforts).
    God saves us by his gracious work.
    The effect of this is our response which is through faith. (Who authored that faith? Jesus did. See Hebrews 12:2) As we continue to work out our salvation we exhibit faith and we grow in faith. This growth is the process of sanctification which God directs for our lives (see Hebrews 12:5-29)

    Van, do you think God is impressed with your faith. Is he so amazed with the faith you exhibit that he is obliged to save you?
     
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    Llberal Calvinist translation of Ephesians 2:8:

    Eph 2:8 (NIV as interpreted using the Calvinist doctrine of total spiritual inability)
    For it is by grace you have been saved, not through faith—and because faith is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
     
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    Llberal Calvinist translation of Ephesians 2:8:

    Eph 2:8 (NIV as interpreted using the Calvinist doctrine of total spiritual inability)
    For it is by grace you have been saved, not through faith—and because faith is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
     
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