Soteriology 101

[Van]

The ones who preferred to stay in darkness when the light of Christ came disagree!

Idiotic - no one said the wicked seek God, because time after time scripture say the wicked do not seek God.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Idiotic - no one said the wicked seek God, because time after time scripture say the wicked do not seek God.

The wicked are those who are not regenerate. It's not some ultra evil class in a third category.

 

[Van]

So we Calvinists teach a false Gospel and are liberals?

Off topic, Calvinists teach false doctrine concerning Soteriology as clearly presented in this thread. And false doctrine is obviously liberal and has strayed from truth.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Off topic, Calvinists teach false doctrine concerning Soteriology as clearly presented in this thread. And false doctrine is obviously liberal and has strayed from truth.

Are you elect Van?

 

[Van]

The wicked are those who are not regenerate. It's not some ultra evil class in a third category.

Once again falsehood is hoisted to hide false doctrine. Did anyone say the wicked were born anew? So obfuscation on display.
Scripture, not me, says sometimes unregenerate people seek God. See post #29.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Did anyone say the wicked were born anew? So obfuscation on display.
Scripture, not me, says sometimes unregenerate people seek God. See post #29.

You said the wicked do not seek God. I agree, but most importantly the Scriptures say so. The wicked are unregenerate. Therefore the wicked do not seek God.

 

[Van]

Are you elect Van?

Yet another off topic post addressing the poster and not the position. Violation after violation is the stock and trade of liberals, nothing is sacred.

 

[Van]

You said the wicked do not seek God. I agree, but most importantly the Scriptures say so. The wicked are unregenerate. Therefore the wicked do not seek God.

Once again an idiotic claim. No one seeks God all the time, so the wicked do not seek God at least some of the time. It is a lock...

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Once again an idiotic claim. No one seeks God all the time, so the wicked do not seek God at least some of the time. It is a lock...

The key to your locked estate is the Bible. You constantly twist the Scripture to conform to your philosophy. But the Word of God says in Romans 12:2 :"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is --his good, pleasing and perfect will."

 

[Reformed1689]

Utter falsehood, Calvinism claims Total Spiritual Inability results in no unregenerate ever seeking God. Calvinists defend Calvinism by denying its bogus views...

I'm just telling you what the verse says. Says nobody seeks God. It does not say Nobody seeks God when sinning. You added that in.

 

[Reformed1689]

Note the denial of truth, no one seeks God is said to have a face value of no one ever seeks God, when verse after verse says people seek God some of the time.

Ones that have been convicted by the spirit and changed of desire, yes. That does not apply to everyone. Nobody in their natural state seeks God. Nobody. Not you, not me, not Hitler, not bin Laden, not the grocer down the street. Nobody. Why do you deny what Scripture says in that verse?

 

[Reformed1689]

Utter nonsense, through or by reason of faith does mean by reason of faith. Liberals redefine the very meaning of words...

Wait does it say by reason? Hmm.... No. It does not.

 

[Reformed1689]

@Van you constantly accuse Calvinists of adding to Scripture but in this thread alone you have added to at least two passages of Scripture.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Folks, Calvinism is not supported in scripture, full stop.

The Word of God still stands despite your assertions to the contrary.

 

[George Antonios]

Here are some of the key points of Biblical Salvation.

1) “For by grace you have been saved through faith," (Ephesians 2:8) teaches our salvation is through or by reason of faith. Any faith? Nope, only the individuals faith in Christ Jesus, if credited as righteousness by God. Thus some, in their unregenerate state seek God some of the time when they put their trust in Christ.

2) The lost cannot do anything to merit or earn salvation, as our faith is a filthy rag to God. When a person puts their trust in Christ, that does not earn or merit or in any way contribute to God's gracious salvation. Salvation depends of God alone. (Romans 9:16)

3) Our faith is based on God's revelatory grace, but God crediting our faith as righteousness is a pure gift of grace. (Romans 4:23-24)

4) The work of the Holy Spirit is to convict humanity of sin, righteousness, and judgement. Thus the gospel of Christ convicts the lost of the sin of unbelief, such as John 3:18, convicts humanity of God's righteousness, even though Christ has returned to the Father, and His birth, sinless life, death, resurrection and coming judgment convicts humanity because of testimony of the New Testament. (John 16:8)

5) Faith alone refers to faithful faith, the faith from which faithfulness flows, or using James illustration, live faith not dead faith. Thus actual faith, of the kind God might choose to credit as righteousness, includes a commitment to stop going our own way and to strive to follow Christ upon the paths of righteousness. (1 Peter 2:21)

6) The call to repent and believe is simultaneous, not sequential. Two sides of the same coin. You don't believe if you don't repent, and you don't repent if you don't believe. (Mark 1:15)

7) Yes, eternal life begins when we are made "alive" together with Christ. And our spiritual eternal life is a prelude to our bodily redemption and physical eternal life. (Ephesians 2:5) (Romans 8:23)

Liked, but #5 is wrong in the church age. That's the same as salvation by works.

 

[George Antonios]

This is unbiblical. Nobody seeks after God in their unregenerate state. Romans 3:10-11

 

[Reformed1689]

I don't watch YouTube can you give me a synopsis?

 

[AustinC]

Utter nonsense, through or by reason of faith does mean by reason of faith. Liberals redefine the very meaning of words...

Interesting how you add "by reason of" yet no translator states it that way. Why do you keep redefining the word faith? Are you liberal?

Second, why do you ignore "saved by grace" while clinging to your own rewording of "by reason of" faith?
Paul lays out how this process of salvation works itself out.
God makes us alive (apart from our efforts).
God saves us by his gracious work.
The effect of this is our response which is through faith. (Who authored that faith? Jesus did. See Hebrews 12:2) As we continue to work out our salvation we exhibit faith and we grow in faith. This growth is the process of sanctification which God directs for our lives (see Hebrews 12:5-29)

Van, do you think God is impressed with your faith. Is he so amazed with the faith you exhibit that he is obliged to save you?

 

[Van]

Llberal Calvinist translation of Ephesians 2:8:

Eph 2:8 (NIV as interpreted using the Calvinist doctrine of total spiritual inability)
For it is by grace you have been saved, not through faith—and because faith is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

 

[Van]

The key to your locked estate is the Bible. You constantly twist the Scripture to conform to your philosophy. But the Word of God says in Romans 12:2 :"Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God's will is --his good, pleasing and perfect will."

Llberal Calvinist translation of Ephesians 2:8:

Eph 2:8 (NIV as interpreted using the Calvinist doctrine of total spiritual inability)
For it is by grace you have been saved, not through faith—and because faith is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—